The board bashing of Coach

[SYRtoBOS]

I think we probably need to play at least a good amount of Zone, even though two starters aren't exactly zone pieces. Honestly my biggest concern about defaulting to Zone is that Red had to prove to recruits last year he's running a m2m program, and spending this year in a Zone is going to completely unravel that. He'll get pegged as a Zone coach very quickly even if it's a break glass in case of emergency situation. And he can't afford for recruiting to fall off. I'm sure Donnie won't appreciate it either as he wanted to play in a m2m system to audition for the nba.

Will zone make much of a difference? I think you deal with the same issue of help defense, just instead of getting beat on the inside, you get beat on the outside.

 

[newmexicuse]

I am totally in Red's corner. love the departure from Zone, and huge upgrade in recruiting.

A few more NIL $$$ and we can get there fast.

Now, of course, it will take Red two or three seasons to learn managing the game and getting the talent he obtained on the floor.

No, I havent seen any games yet this season and I, too, am not happy with barely beating cupcakes, but it is SOOOOOO pre-mature to be throwing Red under the bus.

 

[Newhouser]

Will zone make much of a difference? I think you deal with the same issue of help defense, just instead of getting beat on the inside, you get beat on the outside.

Yeah I'm not sure the zone helps either but I guess it can't hurt. Problems would be the same - stopping the ball, not losing shooters, and we play under so many picks its almost like zone anyway.

 

[Brooky03]

Will zone make much of a difference? I think you deal with the same issue of help defense, just instead of getting beat on the inside, you get beat on the outside.

Realistically, it would be too late to implement a zone anyway.

A run-of-the-mill 2-3 zone will never work consistently. And the JB zone takes a long time to run well (part of the reason higher roster turnover hurt many of our teams defensively). The team would never learn it in time.

 

[M2MPrinciples]

For some people it's not enough to be mad during the games, they have to be mad between games too.

 

[Hopkins16]

We should never have gotten rid of the zone completely. So many teams use both M2M and zone and fare well utilizing both systems.

 

[DilemaCuse]

Back to the Original Poster,

I think the bashing does not stem from Red's overall record through a season and 3 games but rather the overall state of the program going back to 2015 or so. The natives are getting restless as they say.

I wanted a change in leadership for a while so I was excited about the transition, although going internal was not my first choice. However, I do want Autry to succeed, he's a great image for representing the program, he's making changes to the program, he's showing an ability to recruit at the high school level. Will that translate to wins on the court? Will that be enough to get him on solid ground for a long tenure? Jury is still out.

We all like the recruiting class but there have been plenty of great recruiting classes in College Bball over the years that don't pan out, see USC last year with I. Collier and Bronny. What did that get Andy Enfield? Alot of expectations and a one way ticket to SMU to jump ship before being on the hot seat or fired.

 

[Sbucketball]

Will zone make much of a difference? I think you deal with the same issue of help defense, just instead of getting beat on the inside, you get beat on the outside.

It's not ideal, but at the moment teams are getting easy shots in the paint at will, and also getting good looks at 3s. We have to stop at least one of those. I wouldn't go exclusively with either. But if guards and wings are slashing and killing us, we should take that away with zone, and if a team is hitting 3s, we should try to take that away with man. I'd like to see a variety of defenses when a team starts getting automatic buckets the same way each trip.

 

[JustPherU]

That sounds like a brand of jock strap.

I think that was what Tyson was wearing in the locker room before the fight the other night.

 

[MikeSU02]

Does everyone think this team that stinks at D all of a sudden play a totally different defense?

If we try zone, we will get smoked. SMOKED. We do not have the center to play zone. We do not have the guards to play zone. Just because we can't handle a screen now, doesn't mean we can handle a slide in zone.

Literally, basic switches are too hard for this team. Basic rotations aren't being done.

You think this crew can slide, can perform "M2M principles", can handle the decision-making in the middle to compete in zone?

I have been hard on Red, but I think there is a real reason he hasn't gone zone. I think it would basically look like a middle school team trying to learn zone.

You want to change the D? Go pack line. It takes communication, but it's less ground to cover and tries to take away basically just a crucial area and give up the threes.

We need to get better at what we are doing. Does that mean Bell sits? So be it. Does that mean more Choppa? So be it. More Lucas? So be it.

Get better at what we are doing now.

 

[NineOneSeven]

I don't understand the bashing of JB and Wildhack

Like everyone on this board I am really disappointed in this season. But I really have a tough time understanding how this board has become nothing but a place to complain about JB and JW. Since JW has been there SU has turned a tired looking facility into one of the best college stadium's in...

syracusefan.com

You made this same post 3 years ago and were incorrect. With all due respect, you were wrong then and it's possible you are wrong now when you say "he will be successful". We all hope he will be, there is no guarantees at all.

And here's a great (if that is the word) post from that thread by pearl31

Since 2013-14, Syracuse has not been seeded better than 9th in the NCAA tournament.

That is crazy!! This is only year 2 of Red. We won 20 last year. We just might improve this year. But people need to read that line above again. 10 years since seeded above 9 is ridiculous!

 

[NineOneSeven]

It’s the ol “Peyton Manning threw a lot of INTs in his first season” excuse for every nfl rookie that sucks.

Like there arent 10 Jamarcus Russells for every Manning

I see people comparing Anthony Richardson's first x starts to Josh Allen's. Okay, cool. Maybe Richardson ends up being an all time great. But... maybe he doesn't because most do not.