Why don't we start our 5 best players?
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Because we haven't lost doing what we are doing, Mr bad feeling
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Boeheim has been asked about his starters vs. bench. He likes the size that Christmas provides at the start of games and likes the offense that Waiters brings off the bench. I thought this was Christmas's best game, scoring and rebounding.
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Shows why you are not the coach.
You don't think those are the 5 best players?
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I posted this on a played-out thread a few days ago, but it's appropriate to this discussion, FYI:
I think what we're seeing here, but not recognizing, is a JB coaching innovation. Let's face it, there are only three ways to use bench players:
1) Sort out the starters from the backups in practice and play your best 7; that's that JB has done for years and for which he has been roundly criticized.
2) Start the starters and sprinkle in the reserves as game score and strategy dictate; that's the "traditional" way just about every coach uses.
3) Start one or two of the younger players and then bring in more experienced (and perhaps better) players off the bench to spark the team; that's what JB did with Triche early on, with Fab last year, and this year with Rak. He's been criticized for this from both ends -- for babying egos (Triche) and for bashing egos (Fab).
But here are the added benefits:
1) As JB says, he gets to see how Rak is doing and what he's going to bring to the game tonight -- all this early on when any mistakes can be erased.
2) He also gets to see how the refs are going to call the game and, if they're calling it tight, it's Rak who picks up the early fouls.
3) He's not "embarrassing" Rak by giving him the quick hook, he's just waiting for a teaching moment to occur.
4) He has "starting" firepower coming off the bench to pick up the energy just about time the other team is bringing in their reserves.
5) If the team buys into this scheme -- and the beauty of this year's team is that they have -- then the Cuse gives their opponents the impression that (a) you can't foul us out, (b) you can't wear us down, and (c) we have bench players better than your starters. Not a bad psychological weapon; at least it's worked for UNC, Duke, UK and KU over the years.
Rather creative coaching by JB, I think.--VBOF
I think what we're seeing here, but not recognizing, is a JB coaching innovation. Let's face it, there are only three ways to use bench players:
1) Sort out the starters from the backups in practice and play your best 7; that's that JB has done for years and for which he has been roundly criticized.
2) Start the starters and sprinkle in the reserves as game score and strategy dictate; that's the "traditional" way just about every coach uses.
3) Start one or two of the younger players and then bring in more experienced (and perhaps better) players off the bench to spark the team; that's what JB did with Triche early on, with Fab last year, and this year with Rak. He's been criticized for this from both ends -- for babying egos (Triche) and for bashing egos (Fab).
But here are the added benefits:
1) As JB says, he gets to see how Rak is doing and what he's going to bring to the game tonight -- all this early on when any mistakes can be erased.
2) He also gets to see how the refs are going to call the game and, if they're calling it tight, it's Rak who picks up the early fouls.
3) He's not "embarrassing" Rak by giving him the quick hook, he's just waiting for a teaching moment to occur.
4) He has "starting" firepower coming off the bench to pick up the energy just about time the other team is bringing in their reserves.
5) If the team buys into this scheme -- and the beauty of this year's team is that they have -- then the Cuse gives their opponents the impression that (a) you can't foul us out, (b) you can't wear us down, and (c) we have bench players better than your starters. Not a bad psychological weapon; at least it's worked for UNC, Duke, UK and KU over the years.
Rather creative coaching by JB, I think.--VBOF
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To paraphrase JB: look at the minutes, not who happens to be on the floor at the opening tip.
And to directly quote Brent Axe: "This is Boeheim's way of getting him a taste of the action while being careful about not putting him in situations he can't handle.
I like how Boeheim starts him every game and basically says "give me a reason to keep you in there." It is a good way to challenge his freshman in many different ways.
So, why not just start C.J.Fair? Three words.
Change of pace."
And to directly quote Brent Axe: "This is Boeheim's way of getting him a taste of the action while being careful about not putting him in situations he can't handle.
I like how Boeheim starts him every game and basically says "give me a reason to keep you in there." It is a good way to challenge his freshman in many different ways.
So, why not just start C.J.Fair? Three words.
Change of pace."
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all of these conversations about why certain people dont start cant be answered all the same way..
it doesnt matter who starts, it matters who finishes
it doesnt matter who starts, it matters who finishes
This team struggles early if they start the best players they get going faster.
Nobody answered the question why he doesn't put Xmas back in and give him a chance after he yanks him early.
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We went on a 23-0 run against NC State with Rak out of the game. Should we have put him back in?
As far as Brandon starting over Dion, does it really matter? Have you not been paying attention to how JB is thinking this year? Go with who is playing well?
Start listening to the post game pressers and you will answer your own questions.
Pretty simple -- helps with the development of Christmas, who could be a factor in March; helps BT keep some confidence, which he needs. Waiters doesn't need any more confidence.
Interesting how JB has evolved this method -- starting with BT in 2009-10 when he wasn't than Scoop; then Melo; now Christmas. Can't remember JB doing this at any other point in his coaching -- other than bringing Louie & Bouie off the bench at Manley.
Interesting how JB has evolved this method -- starting with BT in 2009-10 when he wasn't than Scoop; then Melo; now Christmas. Can't remember JB doing this at any other point in his coaching -- other than bringing Louie & Bouie off the bench at Manley.
How does it help with Xmas development if he pulls him after 1 mistake and doesn't put him back in to work on it. Xmas could have played in the 2nd half of the nc st game, he only played 2 minutes how does that help him?
Triche is a junior in college these are not little kids he shouldn't need help building his confidence. Waiters is better he deserves to start I think Triche would do better coming off then bench I think the pressure of starting gets to him.
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Triche is a junior in college these are not little kids he shouldn't need help building his confidence. Waiters is better he deserves to start I think Triche would do better coming off then bench I think the pressure of starting gets to him.[/quote]
Ugh...
Do you think Waiters off the bench would be a better chance to spark a team IF the starting person at his position is not playing well or do you think Triche could play that role?
Think about it...
Ugh...
Do you think Waiters off the bench would be a better chance to spark a team IF the starting person at his position is not playing well or do you think Triche could play that role?
Think about it...
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Many people think if Waiters started, it would be with Triche, not Scoop, altho the last 2 games he has been very good the 2nd half.
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They didn't struggle early tonight.
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You expect too much.
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LOL...I guess so! I thought my kids were in bed already?
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We really need a minimum age limit to post. Should have to be at least 12 years old.
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Do you think Waiters off the bench would be a better chance to spark a team IF the starting person at his position is not playing well or do you think Triche could play that role?
Think about it...[/quote]
You start the better player so you don't need that spark, and yes I do think Triche could provide a spark if needed and it would elevate his game.
To the people saying if it ain't broke, The team struggles early if we started our best players maybe we get off to a better start
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