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I heard the founder of Five Guys interviewed on the radio - a former financial advisor, who along with his sons, opened a single hamburger joint.

I have to get there and try the burgers and fries.

You've never been? Without a doubt amazing burgers and fries. Don't make the mistake of ordering more than a small fries though. They fill the small cup, and the proceed to scoop up a full scoop more and dump them in your bag. A small is like a large for the fries. And the burgers are super juicy, fresh, and amazing. Do yourself the favor, stop by and enjoy.
 
You've never been? Without a doubt amazing burgers and fries. Don't make the mistake of ordering more than a small fries though. They fill the small cup, and the proceed to scoop up a full scoop more and dump them in your bag. A small is like a large for the fries. And the burgers are super juicy, fresh, and amazing. Do yourself the favor, stop by and enjoy.
Even if they were created in the shadow of Georgetown.
 
You've never been? Without a doubt amazing burgers and fries. Don't make the mistake of ordering more than a small fries though. They fill the small cup, and the proceed to scoop up a full scoop more and dump them in your bag. A small is like a large for the fries. And the burgers are super juicy, fresh, and amazing. Do yourself the favor, stop by and enjoy.
They are tasty but if you have high blood pressure that is affected by salt, don't eat at Five Guys.
 
So then, by extension 690, which also "divides the city" should be knocked down and we should all use Erie Blvd.

Except much of 690 does not split downtown - much of it runs parallel to Erie Boulevard.

If we could, would I want to eliminate or submerge the portion of 690 that runs through downtown?

Sure!
 
Doesn't this just address the elevation of existing tracks (which were already barriers)? I am not saying 690 is great but even the article you cited says:

"The two railroad elevations, to the west and north, became more like edges to downtown rather than disfiguring "barriers." White could not foresee, however, the economic giant that University Hill has become, nor envisioned an elevated highway between it and downtown, one that is actually wider in scale than even that of the railroads."

I will not argue that 690 is to some extent, a "barrier" but what does it divide? The railroad had been there... and so it wasn't like houses were demolished to make way for 690. The Erie canal had also been there as a "barrier" slightly to the south well before 690 or even the railroad.
 
Doesn't this just address the elevation of existing tracks (which were already barriers)? I am not saying 690 is great but even the article you cited says:

"The two railroad elevations, to the west and north, became more like edges to downtown rather than disfiguring "barriers." White could not foresee, however, the economic giant that University Hill has become, nor envisioned an elevated highway between it and downtown, one that is actually wider in scale than even that of the railroads."

I will not argue that 690 is to some extent, a "barrier" but what does it divide? The railroad had been there... and so it wasn't like houses were demolished to make way for 690. The Erie canal had also been there as a "barrier" slightly to the south well before 690 or even the railroad.

I'm sure the footprint was expanded when the train tracks were elevated and I'm sure it was expanded again when it was made into a highway.

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I'm sure the footprint was expanded when the train tracks were elevated and I'm sure it was expanded again when it was made into a highway.

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It was -- nice photo, by the way, probably Catherine Street shot from the roof of what's now the U-Haul building? -- but it didn't receive the same arterial/feeder treatment that 81 in the Almond corridor did. And that's what really wrecks the atmosphere and the real estate value. That, and the subsequent disinvestment in adjacent properties.

Along 690, there wasn't much development south of the viaduct and there wasn't much connectivity in the street grid between north and south because of the topography and historical uses (canal and railroad). So while 690 created a wider scar, it didn't diminish the neighborhood because there wasn't much neighborhood to speak of (though there's a reason the blocks of Burnet adjacent to 690 remain the largest ungentrified portion of Hawley-Green). And there's still a more or less urban connection at Catherine, North Crouse, and Beech Streets because there's no redundant surface feeder system for the expressway.
 
It was -- nice photo, by the way, probably Catherine Street shot from the roof of what's now the U-Haul building? -- but it didn't receive the same arterial/feeder treatment that 81 in the Almond corridor did. And that's what really wrecks the atmosphere and the real estate value. That, and the subsequent disinvestment in adjacent properties.

Along 690, there wasn't much development south of the viaduct and there wasn't much connectivity in the street grid between north and south because of the topography and historical uses (canal and railroad). So while 690 created a wider scar, it didn't diminish the neighborhood because there wasn't much neighborhood to speak of (though there's a reason the blocks of Burnet adjacent to 690 remain the largest ungentrified portion of Hawley-Green). And there's still a more or less urban connection at Catherine, North Crouse, and Beech Streets because there's no redundant surface feeder system for the expressway.

Oh yeah, I'm not saying that building 690 was the worst thing. Clearly building 81 directly through the city was far and away the biggest travesty. An abhorrent lack of forward thinking and a void in leadership from decision makers.
 
I'm sure the footprint was expanded when the train tracks were elevated and I'm sure it was expanded again when it was made into a highway.

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I agree...but if you isolate a 690 decision, it was a railroad first...so not a crazy stretch to put a highway there over it in the age of the automobile. I am all for improvements to 690 when the time and money comes. Maybe they could tie it into a downtown grid as it approaches downtown like they will do with 81.
 
Doesn't this just address the elevation of existing tracks (which were already barriers)? I am not saying 690 is great but even the article you cited says:

"The two railroad elevations, to the west and north, became more like edges to downtown rather than disfiguring "barriers." White could not foresee, however, the economic giant that University Hill has become, nor envisioned an elevated highway between it and downtown, one that is actually wider in scale than even that of the railroads."

I will not argue that 690 is to some extent, a "barrier" but what does it divide? The railroad had been there... and so it wasn't like houses were demolished to make way for 690. The Erie canal had also been there as a "barrier" slightly to the south well before 690 or even the railroad.


Yes.
 
spacetime and drawings representing it are where I tap out. i've tried like hell to understand it.
You're in good company. If Immanuel Kant couldn't figure it out, what chance do the rest of us have?
 
Arlington is across the Potomac from Georgetown. Quick walk through Rosalyn and across the Key Bridge.
http://www.fiveguys.com/Fans/The-Five-Guys-Story

Yep. My daughter lives in one of those high rises in Rosslyn and is a grad student at Georgetown. We walked across the Key Bridge. Had a nice brunch at Ri Ra, then walked over to the campus. Lots of GU grad and professional students in Rosslyn.
 


There are certain Chik-fil-a locations down here that I will not go to during the lunch hour as they are always crazy busy.
 
MM commercials are bad enough on ACC feeds .. dont want more on local stations .. and nothing beats NY pizza
About that last statement...

In NYC last October only 1 of 4 pizza joints had anchovies. What?? I never have that issue at Mellow Mushroom.
 

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