Development in and Around Syracuse Discussion

[IthacaMatt]

NYSDOT had some better renderings in 2016 during the first draft DEIS process, but I don't have them handy. They were similar to what you see on Page 23-30 of this: http://www.aiacny.org/assets/I-81-Booklet-2014-09-03-2page-spread.pdf

Terrific link. Thank you.

 

[OttoMets]

Terrific link. Thank you.

It's not perfect, and AIA insists on using that funny "Almond Avenue" name, but those architects know their subject matter and do good work.

More architects' renderings on here: vision: images | ReThink81

 

[Newhouser]

OK. I'm going to put a highway thru your neighborhood.



You can call BS, but you'd be wrong. They're not going to spend $100K-500K on a feasibility study until they have the data to do it. Not four sets of data.



How many hotels in the downtown metro area have opened in the last five years? Hotel Syracuse, Crown Plaza, Marriot Courtyard. Add the Loft and Parkview if you widen the area a bit. Apartments and condos are at capacity and fill up as soon as they are built. And businesses are relocating to downtown. There's lots of interest in downtown real estate.

Crowne Plaza didn't open just rebranded. Parkview has been opened as well. Hotel Syracuse was opened but we shall see if it can last once its tax forgiveness vanishes. There is a lot of building but I think it is displacing and not fulfilling a bigger need.

 

[maxxyz]

Crowne Plaza didn't open just rebranded. Parkview has been opened as well. Hotel Syracuse was opened but we shall see if it can last once its tax forgiveness vanishes. There is a lot of building but I think it is displacing and not fulfilling a bigger need.

So the value of downtown real estate is solid, which was the point .

 

[Newhouser]

So the value of downtown real estate is solid, which was the point .

With grants and tax breaks for sure

 

[Cusefan0307]

If some developer wants to build something, then they should be able to come forward with specific plans and contractual agreements that they will follow through. To date, all we hear is talk and that's not good enough to serve as a basis for such a huge decision. Congel was villified because all he did was talk about pretty renderings without specific agreements in place. Well guess what? All we're seeing now are pretty renderings of giant maple trees and no developer has come forward to say I will build X, Y, and Z if the highway comes down. The other issue is any land that opens up is going to be a narrow stretch on both sides of the boulevard. You can't really put anything there bigger than a Dunkin Donuts.

There’s a certain group of people who want the grid to fail to prove their politics right and if I had to take a guess you are one of them based upon who you got a like from...

Weird people are ok spending 3 billion dollars here compared to a billion.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Weird people are ok spending 3 billion dollars here compared to a billion.

The extra $2B would be a boon to the local hospitality and dining establishments. And it would last several years. Otherwise cuomo will find another city to spend that money.

 

[Cusefan0307]

The extra $2B would be a boon to the local hospitality and dining establishments. And it would last several years. Otherwise cuomo will find another city to spend our tax dollars.

Pretty sure 80 percent of the money is coming from the Feds just like for every major DOT project.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Pretty sure 80 percent of the money is coming from the Feds just like for every major DOT project.

Even better

 

[maxxyz]

With grants and tax breaks for sure

 

[FrancoPizza]

There’s a certain group of people who want the grid to fail to prove their politics right

Pot calling the kettle...

How is that any different than grid advocates hoping the tunnel fails so they can test out their kumbaya and real estate theories (and the suburbanites-are-deplorable-and-don't-deserve-a say mantra)?

 

[Fly Rodder]

Pot calling the kettle...

How is that any different than grid advocates hoping the tunnel fails so they can test out their kumbaya and real estate theories (and the suburbanites-are-deplorable-and-don't-deserve-a say mantra)?

Would you be for a tunnel with a toll and/or if you lived in Eastwood?

 

[Cusefan0307]

Pot calling the kettle...

How is that any different than grid advocates hoping the tunnel fails so they can test out their kumbaya and real estate theories (and the suburbanites-are-deplorable-and-don't-deserve-a say mantra)?

Never said suburbanites are deplorable. I live in the suburbs myself.

The people who continue to focus on the negative in Syracuse and upstate will never do anything to make Syracuse better. They will just complain. That's what I consistently see from the same group of people.

All I know is I've lived here going on 20 years and the city is night and day better from when I first moved here. Why is that?

 

[maxxyz]

Pot calling the kettle...

How is that any different than grid advocates hoping the tunnel fails so they can test out their kumbaya and real estate theories (and the suburbanites-are-deplorable-and-don't-deserve-a say mantra)?

Who said suburbanites are deplorable? It’s just that the people who live in the city have a larger stake in the outcome of the project in terms of direct impact. Commute times for people who live west of the city and work south of the city is not in the top 5 questions of which plan is better.

 

[FrancoPizza]

All I know is I've lived here going on 20 years and the city is night and day better from when I first moved here. Why is that?

market correction after years of dysfunctional city hall leadership.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Commute times for people who live west of the city and work south of the city is not in the top 5 questions of which plan is better.

I’d like to hear you say that in a bar full of truckers who currently have routes between the southern tier and western NY.

 

[shandeezy7]

I’d like to hear you say that in a bar full of truckers who currently have routes between the southern tier and western NY.

I’d like to hear you say that in a bar full of truckers who currently have routes between the southern tier and western NY.

Take 86/17 to 390 then. Or deal with the several extra miles to get from south of the city to west of the city. Don't a lot of truckers get paid by the mile anyway?

 

[maxxyz]

I’d like to hear you say that in a bar full of truckers who currently have routes between the southern tier and western NY.

What Shandeezy said.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Take 86/17 to 390 then. Or deal with the several extra miles to get from south of the city to west of the city. Don't a lot of truckers get paid by the mile anyway?

This isn’t a taxi service. They get paid to get things delivered on time and under budget. Fuel costs add up quickly and those routes you suggest are not economical. They’d try to plow through skaneateles, Marcellus and auburn. I can understand why those towns would be livid.

 

[longtimefan]

This isn’t a taxi service. They get paid to get things delivered on time and under budget. Fuel costs add up quickly and those routes you suggest are not economical. They’d try to plow through skaneateles, Marcellus and auburn. I can understand why those towns would be livid.

If their destination is Rochester, or anything west of there, I-86 to 390 is the way to go. And, based upon population concentrations, that's where they're most likely to be going.

 

[shandeezy7]

This isn’t a taxi service. They get paid to get things delivered on time and under budget. Fuel costs add up quickly and those routes you suggest are not economical. They’d try to plow through skaneateles, Marcellus and auburn. I can understand why those towns would be livid.

We are talking less than 10 miles here. The economic impact of that is negligible.

 

[shandeezy7]

Proposed 283-unit apartment complex in Syracuse runs into opposition

For the record, I think the scale of this project is way out of whack for that area. I know there is not as much money to be made in going this route, but why not renovate the current homes and apartment building that stand there? Seems as if that would also be a cheaper investment.

 

[maxxyz]

Proposed 283-unit apartment complex in Syracuse runs into opposition

For the record, I think the scale of this project is way out of whack for that area. I know there is not as much money to be made in going this route, but why not renovate the current homes and apartment building that stand there? Seems as if that would also be a cheaper investment.

I wish they would, but there would be 200 less apartments to sell, and the big money is in LUXURY. Its all about the extra amenities. I'm not sure what this places is planning to charge, but in the other new complexes they charge $1500 a month for one bedroom of a four bedroom suite. How many $6000 a month apartments are there in other parts of CNY ? If you're from NYC, Boston, Philly it may seem reasonable, but you could rent a really nice four bedroom house in Dewitt for half that.

The University area has been short on student apartments for forever, but it seems like there has to be a point soon where these luxury apartment complexes will be fighting hard to get the limited pool of tenants that can afford the price.

 

[sutomcat]

Proposed 283-unit apartment complex in Syracuse runs into opposition

For the record, I think the scale of this project is way out of whack for that area. I know there is not as much money to be made in going this route, but why not renovate the current homes and apartment building that stand there? Seems as if that would also be a cheaper investment.

I agree. A building that size is far out of place in that neighborhood. It is bad enough the building was built that replaced Sutter's and the other little businesses in that strip mall off Crouse. Sounds like a similar one is going up where Varsity Pizza has been for close to 100 years.

That area should not be filled with big, ugly buildings that wreck views and stand as confirmation Syracuse is the worst run city in the state. I am glad the city had the guts to turn down the proposal/ Scale it down, renovate existing buildings or build this elsewhere.

 

[reedny]

Never said suburbanites are deplorable. I live in the suburbs myself.

The people who continue to focus on the negative in Syracuse and upstate will never do anything to make Syracuse better. They will just complain. That's what I consistently see from the same group of people.

All I know is I've lived here going on 20 years and the city is night and day better from when I first moved here. Why is that?

I will second that, 03. Until recently, I hadn't been to Syr downtown in years. After a FB game last fall, my wife and I went out with friends from the Fine Mess and the change was stunning. TONS of places to go and things to do, lots of people out. Vibrant is the word that comes to mind.

Edit: Tom/Cat might want to pin this and FCF thread. They're surviving well on their own but good to keep them there for easy reach - unless there are too many pins.