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Pete Sala says 87. That crane going to be incredibly big.

Carrier Dome Managing Director says project has 'officially begun'

Sala tells NewsChannel 9, "The crane pad is going to be constructed sometime between now and Commencement. With the crane itself, it's 87 tractor-trailer loads of crane."
Billy Fuccillo suddenly has a marketing brainstorm

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They’re probably putting the coils in the air handlers. The have work to do on the chiller water plant which is off site.
The air handlers...are those the areas in the Dome where the giant fans that keep the dome inflated are? Makes a lot of sense. You can also see why it would be hard to implement AC in phase 1 if it is dependent on using the space required to keep the roof inflated.
 
They’re probably putting the coils in the air handlers. They have work to do on the chiller water plant which is off site.
Agreed they need way more capacity to condition the Dome airspace.
 
They’re probably putting the coils in the air handlers. They have work to do on the chiller water plant which is off site.
that sounds right, he mentioned something about metal ducts above the 3rd level seats that they needed to get to which is why the scaffolding is getting put up. What didn't make sense and why he brought it up is why do it now when they have to rent the scaffolding again next year to do the electronics? There must be a reason which compelled him to think they wanted the air conditioning up and running before the Clemson game.
 
Agreed they need way more capacity to condition the Dome airspace.
yes. that's what's going to make A/C in the dome more manageable. The infrastructure is already there. They need to expand the machinery that will make the chilled water to flow through the coils (and the piping to get to the coils)
 
For those who are not aware, Renwick Ave and Fineview between Renwick and E Raynor Ave are being closed permanently during the first half of the 5 year grid project.

My guess is the Fine Lot’s days are numbered and will not be an option in the not so distant future.
 
For those who are not aware, Renwick Ave and Fineview between Renwick and E Raynor Ave are being closed permanently during the first half of the 5 year grid project.

My guess is the Fine Lot’s days are numbered and will not be an option in the not so distant future.

That seems like a bizarre decision. What does closing those two streets benefit the construction?? Bizarre
 
That’s where the highway starts reaching ground level. There are also building a new rail bridge and slightly moving the tracks that were once used for OnTrack.

I think they need to rebuild several bridges on that rail line. While they are at it...figure out how to get traffic going up to Liverpool without going under a 10' railroad bridge
 
That seems like a bizarre decision. What does closing those two streets benefit the construction?? Bizarre
Access to the parking lots west of the Dome has always been difficult. Any moves to make it harder, that will force all the cars that park there to go through one bottleneck, will be disastrous. I hope the people trying to make a design know what they are doing.
 
Access to the parking lots west of the Dome has always been difficult. Any moves to make it harder, that will force all the cars that park there to go through one bottleneck, will be disastrous. I hope the people trying to make a design know what they are doing.

Agreed tomcat, unfortunately past history tells us that they likely dont and that the Clemson game will likely be a nightmare. I fear SU is very ill prepared to handle what could be north of 48-49K for the Clemson game from a facilities and concession standpoint including parking.
 
For those who can't visualize it:

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I was hoping that East Raynor could be reconnected to the grid as part of this project. It won't. This is far from perfect, but I don't know that it'll increase travel times. For people coming from the south on I-81, this will get people directly to Van Buren Street without having to mess with that awful East Adams intersection. The loss of connection between Fineview and streets to the west, I think, will affect outbound traffic more significantly - everyone's going to be funneled back to the east to a bottleneck at Van Buren.

I'm most disappointed that there's no mention of a future for OnTrack. The station's going to be demolished with no provision for replacement. This project should be the impetus for enhancements to transit. Shame that it isn't.
 
For those who can't visualize it:

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I was hoping that East Raynor could be reconnected to the grid as part of this project. It won't. This is far from perfect, but I don't know that it'll increase travel times. For people coming from the south on I-81, this will get people directly to Van Buren Street without having to mess with that awful East Adams intersection. The loss of connection between Fineview and streets to the west, I think, will affect outbound traffic more significantly - everyone's going to be funneled back to the east to a bottleneck at Van Buren.

I'm most disappointed that there's no mention of a future for OnTrack. The station's going to be demolished with no provision for replacement. This project should be the impetus for enhancements to transit. Shame that it isn't.
Wow, the attractiveness of parking at the Fine Lot is going to be heavily impacted by this. Not sure I want to park in a West Lot for football or basketball in the future.

This could affect attendance. What a disappointing decision.

Per Jake's point, I agree. This looks like it is aligned with the long term university plans to do away with the parking lots west of the Dome. Shuttling from Manley and Skytop is going to be a big thing very soon.

It is a shame. The university finally figured out a way to dramatically increase donations by leveraging good parking spots and now that is being taken away or it's attractiveness is being severely damaged.
 
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For those who are not aware, Renwick Ave and Fineview between Renwick and E Raynor Ave are being closed permanently during the first half of the 5 year grid project.

My guess is the Fine Lot’s days are numbered and will not be an option in the not so distant future.

I wonder how this is going to affect the elementary school right there. Being right next to constant construction probably isn't the best thing for kids.
 
Wow, the attractiveness of parking at the Fine Lot is going to be heavily impacted by this. Not sure I want to park in a West Lot for football or basketball in the future.

This could affect attendance. What a disappointing decision.

You think? I meant to illustrate that it wouldn't be so bad. Though maybe it'll slow you down coming in from the north (no more quick back access from Almond under the viaduct)? Access aside, I think overall atmosphere will improve, since 55-mph freeway traffic noise will be reduced.

It's probably all moot if SU can't reconcile game parking demand at a reasonable price with all their other competing concerns (construction staging, cheapo parking for grad students and residents, etc.).
 
I wonder how this is going to affect the elementary school right there. Being right next to constant construction probably isn't the best thing for kids.

NYSDOT's chipping in for a splash pad and some park improvements to placate the neighbors. Still can't make up for the impact of on noise and emissions on schoolkids, unfortunately.

I will say that the DEIS chapter on construction staging is a fascinating read, though. They take into account pretty much everything.
 
I don't know how some of you enjoy parking in the lots near the dome now. Every time I have done it, it has been a disaster leaving the place and I am quite impatient to begin with. I'd much rather park somewhere off university.
 
I don't know how some of you enjoy parking in the lots near the dome now. Every time I have done it, it has been a disaster leaving the place and I am quite impatient to begin with. I'd much rather park somewhere off university.

We all go back to the Fine Lot and listen to Jeremy break down the game in a way that only he can.
 
You think? I meant to illustrate that it wouldn't be so bad. Though maybe it'll slow you down coming in from the north (no more quick back access from Almond under the viaduct)? Access aside, I think overall atmosphere will improve, since 55-mph freeway traffic noise will be reduced.

It's probably all moot if SU can't reconcile game parking demand at a reasonable price with all their other competing concerns (construction staging, cheapo parking for grad students and residents, etc.).
I don't want to speak for anyone but myself.

For me, I have never noticed the noise of the highway when I am at the Fine Lot. Sirens from firetrucks and ambulances maybe.

As you know, I come from the north to games. I take I-81. If there is little traffic at the Harrison exit, I will take it and go the Fine Lot from Almond, under I-81. If it is backed up there, I continue on I-81, get off on Brighton, and take State to Castle/MLK and then Fineview. This is how I go most of the time. Going this way, I have never been backed up into traffic and it consistently provides smooth, easy access to the Fine or Standart Lots (I park at Standart for basketball).

When I leave after games, I almost always retrace my steps down Fineview, down Castle/MLK to State, then get off on Colvin and get on I-81N there. The traffic getting on I-81N from the nightmare bottleneck from the West lots is typically only starting to emerge on to the highway, and I find I can even merge onto I-690E if I need to without much problem.

If I go from Fine or Standart through the bottleneck directly north, and try to drive under I-81N on Almond and get on I-81N near Harrison, I find I get delayed an extra 10-20 minutes; more for big games or games I stayed to the very end for. This isn't a huge deal for football games during the day or even weekend night football games. It is irritating and I acknowledge I am spoiled living in CNY where we typically don't have to deal with traffic much but if I can avoid getting stuck in traffic for 20 minutes, I will do it every time.

This is a huge issue for weekday night basketball games. I can't be getting home from those games at 10:00, 10:30 or later.

I am sure the community grid will do some good things for the area but implementing it takes away a really good option for getting to and getting from games from the north.

Couple that with the change we are talking about here and the bottleneck heading north from the West lots that has been problem becomes an enormous problem. At least for me. If I want to get home at a reasonable time from a 7 pm basketball game, I think my only shot will be to park at Manley or Skytop, take I-481 all the way around the eastern part of the county and backtrack to Liverpool from Bear.

On the map you posted, it looks like Fineview will survive and allow people to drive south, past Standart. If one could drive down to say the Oakwood cemetery main entrance, and then ride a bridge over the railroad tracks and the highway formerly known as I-81 to get on Oakwood east of there, there would be a reasonable way to access the West lots from the south.

They need to provide that. It would make a huge difference to have another means of ingress/egress there. Just my opinion.
 
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Couple that with the change we are talking about here and the bottleneck heading north from the West lots that has been problem becomes an enormous problem. At least for me. If I want to get home at a reasonable time from a 7 pm basketball game, I think my only shot will be to park at Manley or Skytop, take I-481 all the way around the eastern part of the county and backtrack to Liverpool from Bear.

On the map you posted, it looks like Fineview will survive and allow people to drive south, past Standart. If one could drive down to say the Oakwood cemetery main entrance, and then ride a bridge over the railroad tracks and the highway formerly known as I-81 to get on Oakwood east of there, there would be a reasonable way to access the West lots from the south.

They need to provide that. It would make a huge difference to have another means of ingress/egress there. Just my opinion.

Agree. Part of the traffic problem stems from the lack of east-west access to West Campus. The NYSDOT proposal does nothing to solve this. Not sure what the solution is, but for a long time I've argued that reconnecting East Raynor - which could get people out of the mess and over to Salina, West, Geddes, and a bunch of other options - would help a lot. But their work with the NYS&W line will prevent that.

Weeknight basketball games are getting increasingly unpleasant for me, too. (Of course, getting home late at night would be more tolerable if I'd just watched an enjoyable Syracuse-style up-tempo basketball game, but I digress...) If you don't mind the 12-minute walk up the hill, I'd recommend looking into lots or garages down near Syracuse Stage. Much quicker traffic dispersement down there. I think all of us non-experts can agree that SPD's traffic management on West Campus is illogical and seems to make matters worse.
 

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