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What about the frat, sorority houses? Valuable real estate. Do they already require sophomores to live on campus?
Yes, sophomores must live on campus, although S. Campus and Greek Life count for that now. I would think Frat/Sorority would count as living on campus for a 3rd year as well. Otherwise, it would kill their recruitment. Seniors tend to be over the dorm/communal housing life.
 
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The maximum lifespan is 25 years. Given the precarious nature of these structures, I would be shocked if they waited that long to replace it. It would be a tremendous gamble and they are already tempting fate in a big way by continuing to use this type of solution when everyone else who used it has replaced it with something better.

Note that they replaced the original roof in 1999, after 19 years. If they go with another air supported roof, I bet it happens before 2020.
Agree Tom. I am convinced an air supported roof was no longer a viable option when we committed to the ACC. Just not reliable enough, and as you said they would continue to gamble on a facility that is vital to the infrastructure at the school. The ACC deal that is signed through 2035 guarantees Cuse at least $500 million dollars ($30mil a year x 18 years, roughly) They can't even BC it and phone it in, because if they lose the ability to field games at the dome, they are in huge trouble. Investment must be made. I asked this before, but I wonder what the penalty would be if something happened to the roof mid year and all those scheduled games needed to be moved last minute. Syracuse already struggles with logistics. Imagine a TGD regime dealing with that nightmare.
 
The maximum lifespan is 25 years. Given the precarious nature of these structures, I would be shocked if they waited that long to replace it. It would be a tremendous gamble and they are already tempting fate in a big way by continuing to use this type of solution when everyone else who used it has replaced it with something better.

Note that they replaced the original roof in 1999, after 19 years. If they go with another air supported roof, I bet it happens before 2020.

New roof and old roof aren't exactly apples and apples. The original came down two or three times and had a couple traumatic incidents - speakers falling off during Labor Day storm, tears in a couple snow storms, I think some tears associated with careless maintenance.

The 1999 roof hasn't had any of those problems and is a lot newer at 18 than the old one was.

As far as building another air-supported roof, that would be...surprising. It'd be reasonable to get a few more years out of this one, but I don't think anyone wants to be in the business of buying and maintaining a third one.
 
New roof and old roof aren't exactly apples and apples. The original came down two or three times and had a couple traumatic incidents - speakers falling off during Labor Day storm, tears in a couple snow storms, I think some tears associated with careless maintenance.

The 1999 roof hasn't had any of those problems and is a lot newer at 18 than the old one was.

As far as building another air-supported roof, that would be...surprising. It'd be reasonable to get a few more years out of this one, but I don't think anyone wants to be in the business of buying and maintaining a third one.
I agree with all of this but still would be shocked if this roof was still in use in 2024. The older the roofs get, the most susceptible they are to tearing.

Waiting until the last possible moment to replace it would be almost as crazy as deciding to replace it with another teflon covered kevlar roof supported by air pressure.
 
New roof and old roof aren't exactly apples and apples. The original came down two or three times and had a couple traumatic incidents - speakers falling off during Labor Day storm, tears in a couple snow storms, I think some tears associated with careless maintenance.

The 1999 roof hasn't had any of those problems and is a lot newer at 18 than the old one was.

As far as building another air-supported roof, that would be...surprising. It'd be reasonable to get a few more years out of this one, but I don't think anyone wants to be in the business of buying and maintaining a third one.

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They're still in business.
 
I agree with all of this but still would be shocked if this roof was still in use in 2024. The older the roofs get, the most susceptible they are to tearing.

Waiting until the last possible moment to replace it would be almost as crazy as deciding to replace it with another teflon covered kevlar roof supported by air pressure.

I agree. It wouldn't shock me at all if the roof could last until 2024 or 2034, but it's riskier with each passing year and it sounds like everyone's well aware of that. As soon as it's financially feasible, they want to not have to worry about it ever again.
 
Yes, sophomores must live on campus, although S. Campus and Greek Life count for that now. I would think Frat/Sorority would count as living on campus for a 3rd year as well. Otherwise, it would kill their recruitment. Seniors tend to be over the dorm/communal housing life.

Going way back to my day it depended if there was room in the house..which wasn't always the case.
 
Interesting, I'll be interested to see if any of these are air-supported. Didn't realize they did the roof at Flushing.

Aren't a lot of golf domes air-supported? Obviously smaller scale than the Dome, but someone has to make the material for those.
 
I doubt the dome will have any near-vertical walls that cause this but ...

Minnesota Vikings' U.S. Bank Stadium is a 'killing field' for birds
That stadium is about 4 blocks from the Mississippi River, the valley of which forms one of a handful of major migratory paths for birds in North America.

Syracuse gets some migration traffic, but nothing in the range of Minneapolis.

There are lots of issues to deal with but I don't think birds are one of them.

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I would think the materials they use now are light years of where they were 40 years ago.. strength/weight issues have probably gone thru huge improvements as well as ability to no decay in the sun.
 
There is still lots of call for fabric tensile structures. In addition to that, there are still plenty of practice bubbles being bought/installed. That said, as is mentioned elsewhere, not typically of a scale like the Dome. They are more often employed as shading planes than full enclosures. The inspiration is typically the 1972 Munich Olympic complex
 
I doubt the dome will have any near-vertical walls that cause this but ...

Minnesota Vikings' U.S. Bank Stadium is a 'killing field' for birds
When I used to work in the old 4 story Nuclear Research Building at FSU, I always used the stairwells to get to the top floor. The exterior stairway "walls" were glass. I noticed the owl cutouts taped to the inside of the windows and wondered about that until the Department secretary told me they were to keep birds from flying into the glass walls and breaking their necks! Even at home here, cardinals will sit on the iron railing outside the French doors and peck at the windows. I guess birds are "farsighted" and the glass is invisible to them.
 
Matt Park‏Verified account @MattPark1 2h2 hours ago
Gaaaaaaameday! Starting this AM at @SyracuseU Lublin House for an alumni reception and @Cuse Q & A with John Wildhack. #OrangeNation

CuseEndZone2 hours ago @MattPark1 @SyracuseU @Cuse ask John if he plans on renovating the dome anytime soon. Will it being in my lifetime


Matt Park‏Verified account @MattPark1 15m15 minutes ago
It'll be in your lifetime (if you eat right and exercise ). He'd love to have it done yesterday but they're still determining which roof...

... which will have a lot to say about what else is possible & affordable. It's a complicated process with many voices. Huge for future.
 
Matt Park‏Verified account @MattPark1 2h2 hours ago
Gaaaaaaameday! Starting this AM at @SyracuseU Lublin House for an alumni reception and @Cuse Q & A with John Wildhack. #OrangeNation

CuseEndZone2 hours ago @MattPark1 @SyracuseU @Cuse ask John if he plans on renovating the dome anytime soon. Will it being in my lifetime


Matt Park‏Verified account @MattPark1 15m15 minutes ago
It'll be in your lifetime (if you eat right and exercise ). He'd love to have it done yesterday but they're still determining which roof...

... which will have a lot to say about what else is possible & affordable. It's a complicated process with many voices. Huge for future.
Still determining which roof - or determining what roof they can afford?
 

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