NoIf we hired a new coach in 2014, and he had the same results we’ve had over the past 6 years, would he still be our coach?
NoIf we hired a new coach in 2014, and he had the same results we’ve had over the past 6 years, would he still be our coach?
So you are in the “Boeheim is the Problem” camp?So if that’s true, why are many of the traditional powerhouse schools still sitting atop the basketball world? They seem to still be good places to go. The programs that moved past SU have become better because they hired younger, energetic coaches with fresh approaches and a knack for recruiting.
It happens.
Why?No
If this was Kentucky or Duke or Kansas, there would never have been any sanctions.
Hell, the NCAA would have probably written Fab's paper for him.
So you are in the “Boeheim is the Problem” camp?
And the road back to past glory is an unnamed and maybe imaginary young coach who will turn this battleship around?
Because I want to believe that my school is committed to athletics, and I want to believe that in basketball, my school will not settle for mediocre. I also want to believe that my school won't be too scared to make change, and will recognize that each year of mediocre results makes the pending re-build that much longer. I also want to believe that our much ballyhooed AD has a plan and a vision that will allow us to maintain our lofty status in the world of college basketball., while providing avenues for gracious exits for legends of the program that are holding the program hostage......Sadly what I also believe is that none of this is true, and that we will end up hiring whoever JB tells us to and we will continue on this current trend of middle of the road, mediocre basketball.Why?
And now the program can make not changes until at least 2022 otherwise SU will lose their highest rated recruit in 20 years.Because I want to believe that my school is committed to athletics, and I want to believe that in basketball, my school will not settle for mediocre. I also want to believe that my school won't be too scared to make change, and will recognize that each year of mediocre results makes the pending re-build that much longer. I also want to believe that our much ballyhooed AD has a plan and a vision that will allow us to maintain our lofty status in the world of college basketball., while providing avenues for gracious exits for legends of the program that are holding the program hostage...Sadly what I also believe is that none of this is true, and that we will end up hiring whoever JB tells us to and we will continue on this current trend of middle of the road, mediocre basketball.
So JB is incapable of picking the successor with the greatest probability of being successful?Because I want to believe that my school is committed to athletics, and I want to believe that in basketball, my school will not settle for mediocre. I also want to believe that my school won't be too scared to make change, and will recognize that each year of mediocre results makes the pending re-build that much longer. I also want to believe that our much ballyhooed AD has a plan and a vision that will allow us to maintain our lofty status in the world of college basketball., while providing avenues for gracious exits for legends of the program that are holding the program hostage...Sadly what I also believe is that none of this is true, and that we will end up hiring whoever JB tells us to and we will continue on this current trend of middle of the road, mediocre basketball.
Georgetown process was dominated by one man - looks like our process is going to be too. Guess that is why I hope there is someone capable of picking the successor - assuming of course JB isn't the only person on the planet who can possibly choose his replacement.So JB is incapable of picking the successor with the greatest probability of being successful?
Instead we ought to listen to this gaggle of fans on here, amateurs with opinions?
There’s also the problem of finding someone who is willing to bet his currently successful career on taking on this task. My thinking on this is colored by watching the Georgetown hiring process intently. They (Athletic administration, fans, etc.) started off with a grand list of prospects assisted by hired consultants. What they found out was that none of these candidates was interested in the job. they ended up having to almost strong arm an alum into taking the job.
So you are in the “Boeheim is the Problem” camp?
And the road back to past glory is an unnamed and maybe imaginary young coach who will turn this battleship around?
I’m just trying to help some of you guys get off the little Fantasy Islands you’ve constructed. These are the spots where Boeheim is somehow the problem and his presence is keeping SU from hiring the latest wonder worker who would put SU at the top of the ACC.
That you have converted this wishful thinking into what you think is reality doesn’t make it so.
The world of college basketball has changed for the teams below the handful of elite programs. There’s more balance and parity now. Three of the four traditional Big East powers (SU, Georgetown and UConn) aren’t anywhere near what they once were.
In the Washington Post this morning there’s an article about the “fearsome EasternTriangle” of the Big Ten which includes Penn State and Rutgers. A team from the old Southwest Conference is near the top of the rankings. Seton Hall and even Providence are good.
SU’s rise from Regional “factor” was powered by three things. The miracle of the Big East, the ESPN show casing of SU and the coaching genius of Boeheim. Some might throw the use of the football stadium as a basketball venue in to the mix.
The Big East is a shadow of its former self and there are now dozens of games on, not just a few. Kids in California aren’t rushing home after school to watch SU vs St John’s like they did decades ago.
The next coach will have a huge hill to climb if the expectation is to compete at the top of the ACC. He will be given a very long time to do what he can, because the University won’t be completely sure what is possible.
So JB is incapable of picking the successor with the greatest probability of being successful?
Setting aside sanctions and JBs age, could any of this recruiting drop-off be due to the rise of all sorts of other programs, each with their own set of benefits and strengths to recruits.
Still waitingHas Lville been hit with sanctions from strippergate or are we still waiting? If their sanctions are over, they are doing pretty well for themselves.
I'm glad your not the ADI’m glad you’re not the athletic director.
As the captain of the ship, JB is fully culpable for the state of the basketball program. He is responsible for the sanctions, along with the ensuing effects of same, regardless if deemed too harsh. Additionally, being told afterwards by the administration of his 3 year time frame to remain as coach, involuntarily & against his free will, boiled his blood and ate at his core. Furthermore, he checked out on the recruiting trail (planting even deeper roots and further exacerbating the direction of his program and the latent damage he & he alone created because of it) as it was no longer his future, but Hop's.
When Hop unexpectedly & abruptly left, the administration was suddenly at a major crossroads that they clearly did not foresee. Ultimately, the administration decided to keep the status quo in JB. To his astonishment, JB, like a child whose parent after saying no repeatedly to that cookie before dinner, gets his wish granted after all...a stroke of fate/luck. He becomes reinvigorated & reengages in the recruiting scene, but the bleeding had already begun from his culpable conduct and relative behavioral disinterest there. However, although reengaged, the bleeding hasn't stopped, as he has been unsuccessful stabilizing the heartbeat of his (any) program from an overall talent standpoint. His failures on the recruiting trail are causally related to our play on the court, the past several seasons of conference mediocrity and its current state.
This is on him, his ship, his culpability.
Uh, no.
How is JB responsible for Dr Gross and crew deciding to help Fab out w a paper?
He is literally NOT allowed any access on the academic side of things, to prevent tampering by the coach trying to pressure admins or professors to fix student athlete grades.
They notify him if the player is eligible, or not.
JB is responsible for guys getting paid for part-time work at the Y?
Child, please. That’s not how the world works.
Yeah well I’m glad you’re not the AD tooI'm glad your not the AD
How is JB responsible for Dr Gross and crew deciding to help Fab out w a paper?
He is literally NOT allowed any access on the academic side of things, to prevent tampering by the coach trying to pressure admins or professors to fix student athlete grades.
JB is responsible for guys getting paid for part-time work at the Y?
Child, please. That’s not how the world works.
Unfortunately, yes. He is responsible for guys getting paid at the Y. And, unfortunately, SU hoops lives in the NCAA's world and not the real world. In the real world, JB would be responsible for winning basketball games. Full stop. In the NCAA's world, the coach is responsible for all aspects of the program. It is absurd.
you would have the same opinion if Cal, Pitino, Roy, Coach K or anyone else got hit with similar findings?Uh, no.
How is JB responsible for Dr Gross and crew deciding to help Fab out w a paper?
He is literally NOT allowed any access on the academic side of things, to prevent tampering by the coach trying to pressure admins or professors to fix student athlete grades.
They notify him if the player is eligible, or not.
JB is responsible for guys getting paid for part-time work at the Y?
Child, please. That’s not how the world works.
But an all out pursuit of the top rung of the ACC isn’t in the cards, I don’t think.
Do you disagree with anything I wrote in my post?So in the NCAA's world, if an employee of the NCAA gets so much as a parking ticket, Mark Emmert should be held responsible. I'd like to be there the day he gets fired.