If we do not win another game?

[TheCusian]

Coach Mac was brought in to rescue a program from the gutter. Shafer was promoted to continue the success we had under Marrone? Has he done so?

Kind of. The only thing really missing is a big win over a ranked team. But he's nailed the mediocre/bad offense married to a good defense thing.

 

[qdawgg]

You'd care about the circumstances of you're firing if it were your job on the line.

AD's don't get the luxury of defining what's an excuse and what's not. If they are good at their jobs they look at every circumstance and try to figure out if a coach can do the job or not.

So would you let Shafer go based on the fact he hasn't beaten a team in the top half of the rankings since he's been the HC?

 

[RF2044]

hey can you tell me a story about all the awesome football that has been played at the dome in the last 15 years? do the math on our record against BCS/P5 teams, it is pretty damn bad.

Make your own decision. If you don't want to stick it out and support the team, don't let the door hit you a$$ on the way out.

I'm not going to fault you, but I'm also sure not going to commend you for withdrawing support.

 

[qdawgg]

Make your own decision. If you don't want to stick it out and support the team, don't let the door hit you a$$ on the way out.

I'm not going to fault you, but I'm also sure not going to commend you for withdrawing support.

Pretty harsh post don't you think? Never once did he say he was withdrawing support or not going to support the team in general.

Seems any show of frustration on this board is met with delusional posts about people not being fans.

 

[TheCusian]

So would you let Shafer go based on the fact he hasn't beaten a team in the top half of the rankings since he's been the HC?

That would be one thing I'd look at, but not the only thing. That would be dumb.

 

[RF2044]

59-101

By definition, that's what makes them fair weather fans.

 

[billsin01]

Because he's only finished year #3 of a 5 year contract.

That's a pathetic excuse. I mean if you have some faith in the coach, fine. But dude -- that's awful.

 

[qdawgg]

That would be one thing I'd look at, but not the only thing. That would be dumb.

Didn't say it would be the only thing. I think that's a pretty telling fact though. At least it is for me.

The question is, can he turn that fact around or not.

 

[OrangeCrush22]

Just my opinion but as a whole I think Syracuse is a pretty bad sports town. It takes on the overall negative attitude of most of the people who live here.

How many other programs average the amount of fans we do with such a poor record? I don't think many do, honestly, especially private schools.

 

[billsin01]

By definition, that's what makes them fair weather fans.

You might disdain them -- but football programs need fair weather fans. In fact, they are the lifeblood in many ways.

 

[billsin01]

to me there is zero chance he is gone. too many good things going on out side of wins and losses

The simple fact that there is a new AD who didn't hire the coach makes your zero chance stance absurd.

 

[RF2044]

Pretty harsh post don't you think? Never once did he say he was withdrawing support or not going to support the team in general.

Seems any show of frustration on this board is met with delusional posts about people not being fans.

qdawgg, you know that I'm a big fan of yours on this forum, but NO I don't think it is harsh at all. Yes, he did say that he was withdrawing his support--tonight, in another thread.

As stated above, I can't say that I blame him. I get it. I like orangehomer as a poster; this isn't personal. I'm frustrated as sh-t too. But if that's what you choose, then good riddance.

 

[TheCusian]

Didn't say it would be the only thing. I think that's a pretty telling fact though. At least it is for me. The question is, can he turn that fact around or not.

You didn't state it that way. Seemed like you were just trying to make that point, which is fine. That's why I wanted this game so bad.

Also - by top of the division do you mean FSU and Clemson? Because I'm pretty sure Marrone didn't have a win a team that caliber either. Louisville was the closest. But they weren't in serious BCS contention.

 

[RF2044]

You might disdain them -- but football programs need fair weather fans. In fact, they are the lifeblood in many ways.

Disdain? Stop. It is the truth. That's why we get ~25K fans for games. I completely understand that the team in general hasn't given us much to root for these past 16 post-McNabb years. But don't pretend that the fans aren't fair weather--they are. I don't knock it--if you don't win, people don't support the local program. But it is what it is, and to act like the local fanbase [again, beyond the die hards posting on this forum, as I stated above] isn't fickle is goofy.

There's a core of die hards who support the team no matter what, purchase season tickets, watch every game, show up at the Dome, and travel to watch the team. Again, no matter what the product on the field is. Beyond that, the fan base is generally non-existent, in large part due to the fact that we've sucked for the better part of 15 years.

 

[qdawgg]

qdawgg, you know that I'm a big fan of yours on this forum, but NO I don't think it is harsh at all. Yes, he did say that he was withdrawing his support--tonight, in another thread.

As stated above, I can't say that I blame him. I get it. I'm frustrated as sh-t too. But if that's what you choose, then good riddance.

I didn't see that post, my apologies.

 

[AZOrange]

You'd care about the circumstances of you're firing if it were your job on the line.

AD's don't get the luxury of defining what's an excuse and what's not. If they are good at their jobs they look at every circumstance and try to figure out if a coach can do the job or not.

No offense but this post is kind of lame. I worry about getting fired every day. It's what keeps you motivated. If I had a record like shafers I'd be toast. I hate to sound callous but the only things that matter here at (I) wins, and (Ii) butts in the seats. All this other stuff is window dressing.

I've had to make calls on people. It's awful. But it's reality.

 

[rrlbees]

By definition, that's what makes them fair weather fans.

I responded to fickle.

And besides the large football fanatic state schools if another program had that record over 14 years, not 2-3 but 14, don't you think their attendance would be a mess?

And where is the "fair" of fair weather in these past 14 years?

 

[qdawgg]

You didn't state it that way. Seemed like you were just trying to make that point, which is fine. That's why I wanted this game so bad.

Also - by top of the division do you mean FSU and Clemson? Because I'm pretty sure Marrone didn't have a win a team that caliber either. Louisville was the closest. But they weren't in serious BCS contention.

I didn't state it that way because I didn't expect it to be taken that literally. I was trying to make that point because I think it's important but obviously wouldn't be the only factor in a decision. Just an important one moving forward. More so, does it mean anything moving forward or not.

I don't care about Marrone. People were calling for his head every year he was here. I said this the other day, I think he accomplished just about what his ceiling was at SU. If Coyle showed up and Marrone was still here, eventually Coyle would have shown him the door.

 

[RF2044]

And where is the "fair" of fair weather in these past 14 years?

Sorry, Shakespeare, I don't know how to interpret encrypted prose.

 

[rrlbees]

Disdain? Stop. It is the truth. That's why we get ~25K fans for games. I completely understand that the team in general hasn't given us much to root for these past 16 post-McNabb years. But don't pretend that the fans aren't fair weather--they are. I don't knock it--if you don't win, people don't support the local program. But it is what it is, and to act like the local fanbase [again, beyond the die hards posting on this forum, as I stated above] isn't fickle is goofy. There's a core of die hards who support the team no matter what, purchase season tickets, watch every game, show up at the Dome, and travel to watch the team. Again, no matter what the product on the field is. Beyond that, the fan base is generally non-existent, in large part due to the fact that we've sucked for the better part of 15 years.

Lol. Then what wouldn't be fickle over the last 14 years? 45k per game?

Spoken like a true out of towner.

 

[billsin01]

Disdain? Stop. It is the truth. That's why we get ~25K fans for games. I completely understand that the team in general hasn't given us much to root for these past 16 post-McNabb years. But don't pretend that the fans aren't fair weather--they are. I don't knock it--if you don't win, people don't support the local program. But it is what it is, and to act like the local fanbase [again, beyond the die hards posting on this forum, as I stated above] isn't fickle is goofy.

There's a core of die hards who support the team no matter what, purchase season tickets, watch every game, show up at the Dome, and travel to watch the team. Again, no matter what the product on the field is. Beyond that, the fan base is generally non-existent, in large part due to the fact that we've sucked for the better part of 15 years.

I'm not sure what we're arguing. I suppose Should have said 'some' may disdain them instead of 'you'. Otherwise we agree. I think most fan bases are equally as fickle.

 

[RF2044]

Lol. Then what wouldn't be fickle over the last 14 years? 45k per game?

Spoken like a true out of towner.

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I grew up in Syracuse. Had season tickets for the entire time I lived there. I bleed orange. If I never attend another hoops, football, or lax game for the rest of my life, then I will have attended more games that 99% of the fanbase. And for the record, I'm not that old.

I travel to bowls. I travel to NCAA games. I travel to watch the team play in preseason tournaments.

But forgive me for correctly pointing out that the local populace can't make it up to the Dome from 10 minutes away. Again, not pointing fingers at the die hards, but the rest of CNY who ARE fickle, and don't give a crap about Syracuse athletics, as evidenced by the piss poor attendance.

I've gone out of my way to also point out that I understand why on the football side. The results aren't attracting fair weather fans. But let's stop pretending that the vast majority of CNY residents who aren't the die hards who follow the team religiously aren't fair weather.

 

[rrlbees]

. I grew up in Syracuse. Had season tickets for the entire time I lived there. I bleed orange. If I never attend another hoops, football, or lax game for the rest of my life, then I will have attended more games that 99% of the fanbase. I travel to bowls. I travel to NCAA games. I travel to watch the team play in preseason tournaments. But forgive me for correctly pointing out that the local populace can't make it up to the Dome from 10 minutes away. Again, not pointing fingers at the die hards, but the rest of CNY who ARE fickle, and don't give a crap about Syracuse athletics.

Who cares what you've done. It's ignorant to call fans fickle or fair weather when the record has been 59-101 over FOURTEEN years including a price structure that's out of whack.,

 

[jekelish]

Not supporting the team when they aren't winning is, absolutely, without question, the very definition of being fair-weather.

 

[rrlbees]

Not supporting the team when they aren't winning is, absolutely, without question, the very definition of being fair-weather.

Over the course of 14 years it chips away. True fair weather is when a good program has a down couple years and people don't go. Not 14.