Justin Fuentes out at VT / Brent Pry in

[Scooch]

Beamer's 1st few years he had to deal with probation. His year 6 is a lot like Dino's year 6 though. Beamer did fire both his OC and DC after that season. Will Dino make changes again?

Coach Mac had a lot more consistency than Dino has had. If FCS games were a thing Mac would have been:

4-6-1
2-9
7-5
7-5
8-5
6-6

Dino is nowhere near that.

It was also 40 years ago. I can't believe people still bring up Mac, as if his tenure is at all relevant to today's college football environment.

 

[Chip]

It was also 40 years ago. I can't believe people still bring up Mac, as if his tenure is at all relevant to today's college football environment.

The Dome was a recruiting tool. NYS had better football. Recruiting was much more regional. Competitors were scarce in the region.

It was practically a different sport.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I think it is better on defense, and I think depth is better [we've had a ridiculous string of injuries the past few years; OL has been particularly hit hard, even this year, and we've almost overcome it with depth]. I think Tucker is better than any RB from the 2018 season. WRs haven't been good, and it is costing us this year. But you also have to give him credit for AET, Trishton, etc. Shrader has been good, outside of last game.

Dino was left with a bunch of players. The D was definitely lacking depth but the best players Dino was left with are better than what we have now. The O players were better. Look at the below vs what we have next year. Is it all that different?

QB- Dungey, Mahoney
RB- Strickland, Neal
WR- Ishmael, Philips, Estime, Custis
TE- Parris
OL- Palmer, Roberts, Conway, Adams, McGloster, Heckel, Emerich
K- Murphy
P- Hofrichter
DL- Slayton, Ruff
LB- Franklin, Bennett, Whitner
DB- Cordy, Rodney Williams, Bradshaw, Frederick, Winfield

 

[RF2044]

Dino was left with a bunch of players. The D was definitely lacking depth but the best players Dino was left with are better than what we have now. The O players were better. Look at the below vs what we have next year. Is it all that different?

QB- Dungey, Mahoney
RB- Strickland, Neal
WR- Ishmael, Philips, Estime, Custis
TE- Parris
OL- Palmer, Roberts, Conway, Adams, McGloster, Heckel, Emerich
K- Murphy
P- Hofrichter
DL- Slayton, Ruff
LB- Franklin, Bennett, Whitner
DB- Cordy, Rodney Williams, Bradshaw, Frederick, Winfield

I didn't say that he didn't inherit players, too. What I said is that the trajectory isn't similar to Shafer's.

Babers has also begun placing some players on D in the NFL. Given the improvement we've seen on D, it will be interesting to see if that trend continues.

 

[Pyle]

I think the idea is most fans(me included, he can take that cigar) wanted Shafer gone and looking at the overall numbers Dino has about the same success rate and not as many blowouts

I think the team looks better under Dino and he has signature wins that Shafer didn’t but ones winning % at Cuse is .414 and the other .378

Not advocating for Shafer but not as many blowouts? You turning games off at the 1/2 and only checking final scores after garbage time? Dino is the king of getting blown-out when he shouldn't. See last week for starters. There's that 2019 Maryland disaster. Just last year he got blown out by NoCar, Liberty, Wake, Clemson, Louisville, and ND. Should we even discuss getting our doors blown off by a 0-4 Duke team?

 

[Scooch]

The Dome was a recruiting tool. NYS had better football. Recruiting was much more regional. Competitors were scarce in the region.

It was practically a different sport.

Yup. Hell, the majority of the country didn't have cable TV, people got their news from morning papers, and their sports highlights from a 5 minute segment on local TV at 11:25pm. It was a different world.

 

[tbonezone]

Yup. Hell, the majority of the country didn't have cable TV, people got their news from morning papers, and their sports highlights from a 5 minute segment on local TV at 11:25pm. It was a different world.

THE ORANGE INSIDER/BIG EAST BRIEFS . weekly mailer i eagerly anticipated to find out what happened last week in recruiting . Kobe to Villanova ? what ? Godshamgod who ? felipe lopez going up against jason hart ? best little pamphlet ever if you needed a syracuse fix. alas internet killed it.

 

[orangenauburn]

Yup. Hell, the majority of the country didn't have cable TV, people got their news from morning papers, and their sports highlights from a 5 minute segment on local TV at 11:25pm. It was a different world.

Some may say, a better one in some ways

 

[Scooch]

Some may say, a better one in some ways

Clearly not for SU football.

 

[Cuse181]

Not advocating for Shafer but not as many blowouts? You turning games off at the 1/2 and only checking final scores after garbage time? Dino is the king of getting blown-out when he shouldn't. See last week for starters. There's that 2019 Maryland disaster. Just last year he got blown out by NoCar, Liberty, Wake, Clemson, Louisville, and ND. Should we even discuss getting our doors blown off by a 0-4 Duke team?

Well last year was a once in a lifetime scenario where a fb was playing guard, the defense was breaking in a new coordinator while the secondary was all backups and the team was down to a third string QB.

 

[orangepassion]

Dino was left with a bunch of players. The D was definitely lacking depth but the best players Dino was left with are better than what we have now. The O players were better. Look at the below vs what we have next year. Is it all that different?

QB- Dungey, Mahoney
RB- Strickland, Neal
WR- Ishmael, Philips, Estime, Custis
TE- Parris
OL- Palmer, Roberts, Conway, Adams, McGloster, Heckel, Emerich
K- Murphy
P- Hofrichter
DL- Slayton, Ruff
LB- Franklin, Bennett, Whitner
DB- Cordy, Rodney Williams, Bradshaw, Frederick, Winfield

Well last year was a once in a lifetime scenario where a fb was playing guard, the defense was breaking in a new coordinator while the secondary was all backups and the team was down to a third string QB.

If last year didn't count, we're coming off a 5-7 season and can't say we improved (unless we win 1 of last 2).

 

[BrooklynCuse]

Not advocating for Shafer but not as many blowouts? You turning games off at the 1/2 and only checking final scores after garbage time? Dino is the king of getting blown-out when he shouldn't. See last week for starters. There's that 2019 Maryland disaster. Just last year he got blown out by NoCar, Liberty, Wake, Clemson, Louisville, and ND. Should we even discuss getting our doors blown off by a 0-4 Duke team?

Oops that was a typo. I meant *Shafer* not as many blowouts but winning % about the same as Dino

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Not advocating for Shafer but not as many blowouts? You turning games off at the 1/2 and only checking final scores after garbage time? Dino is the king of getting blown-out when he shouldn't. See last week for starters. There's that 2019 Maryland disaster. Just last year he got blown out by NoCar, Liberty, Wake, Clemson, Louisville, and ND. Should we even discuss getting our doors blown off by a 0-4 Duke team?

There have been a lot of big Ls under Dino.

2016 7 of 8 losses we trailed by 19 or more at one point in the game
34 point loss to Louisville
25 point loss to USF
17 point loss to Notre Dame in NJ
19 point loss at Wake
54 point loss at Clemson
31 point loss to FSU
15 point loss at Pitt where we trailed by 29 at one point
The only "close" loss was a 15 point loss to NC State. How the heck did Ward keep his job after that?

2017 3 of 8 losses were by 21 or more
21 point loss to Wake
46 point loss at Louisville
28 point loss to BC
We trailed at NC State by 19 at half but only lost by 8. We also lost to Middle Tennessee at home which feels like a blowout.

2018
33 point loss to Notre Dame at Yankee Stadium

2019 5 of 7 losses we trailed by 21 or more points at one point
43 point loss at Maryland
35 point loss to Clemson
18 point loss at FSU
21 point loss to BC
22 point loss at Louisville

2020 6 of 10 losses we trailed by 21 or more at one point
25 point loss at UNC
17 point loss to Liberty
26 point loss at Clemson
24 point loss to Wake
30 point loss at Louisville
24 point loss at ND

2021
38 point loss at Louisville

That is a lot of games that were not close. This year though has been a bunch of close losses up until last weekend. If we add 2 more to end the year, Dino should go. How can people look at the above and say we are more competitive?

EDIT
That comes out to 24 games where we trailed by 19 points or more at some point in the game. That is an average of 3 a year. Plus Middle Tennessee and you have 25 bad losses. That is almost as many bad losses as his 29 total Ws.

 

[BrooklynCuse]

Well last year was a once in a lifetime scenario where a fb was playing guard, the defense was breaking in a new coordinator while the secondary was all backups and the team was down to a third string QB.

But why were we playing a fb as guard? And why were our only options at qb Morgan and Culpepper? Who’s in charge of the roster?

There were people on this board stating they were worried about O Line depth a couple of years ago when we had like 25 wide receivers instead

 

[orangenauburn]

But why were we playing a fb as guard? And why were our only options at qb Morgan and Culpepper? Who’s in charge of the roster?

There were people on this board stating they were worried about O Line depth a couple of years ago when we had like 25 wide receivers instead

And very few if any of those WR panned out - no all conference level WR

 

[Cuse181]

But why were we playing a fb as guard? And why were our only options at qb Morgan and Culpepper? Who’s in charge of the roster?

There were people on this board stating they were worried about O Line depth a couple of years ago when we had like 25 wide receivers instead

Because it’s Syracuse University, not Alabama, they don’t have that kind of depth because they’re a north eastern private school in a era dominated by state schools in the south and Midwest.

 

[orangepassion]

There were people on this board stating they were worried about O Line depth a couple of years ago when we had like 25 wide receivers instead

That would be me

 

[BrooklynCuse]

Because it’s Syracuse University, not Alabama, they don’t have that kind of depth because they’re a north eastern private school in a era dominated by state schools in the south and Midwest.

So you’re comparing Syracuse to Alabama? Lol ok never mind

 

[baggerbob]

Dino was left with a bunch of players. The D was definitely lacking depth but the best players Dino was left with are better than what we have now. The O players were better. Look at the below vs what we have next year. Is it all that different?

QB- Dungey, Mahoney
RB- Strickland, Neal
WR- Ishmael, Philips, Estime, Custis
TE- Parris
OL- Palmer, Roberts, Conway, Adams, McGloster, Heckel, Emerich
K- Murphy
P- Hofrichter
DL- Slayton, Ruff
LB- Franklin, Bennett, Whitner
DB- Cordy, Rodney Williams, Bradshaw, Frederick, Winfield

DL Clark

 

[Briancuse]

Because it’s Syracuse University, not Alabama, they don’t have that kind of depth because they’re a north eastern private school in a era dominated by state schools in the south and Midwest.

How about Wake or Nc State?

 

[Cusefan95]

The Dome was a recruiting tool. NYS had better football. Recruiting was much more regional. Competitors were scarce in the region.

It was practically a different sport.

Agreed…and reality is it’ll be a heck of a lot harder to turn Syracuse football around this time.

We’ve hired four coaches since Coach P - at best one has worked out if we write off Dino. And that guy bolted after an 8-5 season. So we’re either .000 or .250 - I don’t see a lot of reason to think a new coach will be a success.

Dino had one good season out of 5 if you write off the Covid year, 6 total. So let’s call it a .167 chance of turning things around. Not great - but not substantially worse than .250. And while there’s a upside of a great hire who elevates Syracuse to 9 or 10 win seasons - there’s also a chance we hire the next GRob.

Neither is a great option - either way we’re hoping to hit an inside straight on the river. Getting excited or upset over either feels absurd to me.

 

[qdawgg]

And very few if any of those WR panned out - no all conference level WR

I mean, it’s almost statistically impossible for that to happen. You have to be completely looking for the wrong things on the recruiting trail.

 

[Ozcuse]

Because it’s Syracuse University, not Alabama, they don’t have that kind of depth because they’re a north eastern private school in a era dominated by state schools in the south and Midwest.

Wake has 3 WRs better than any on our roster

BC has Zay Flowers who would be the most talented WR we have had since Mike Williams

Pitt’s WR Addison leads the country

These are peer teams, not Alabama

Other than Dino finding AET and the kid from Mich St as one year rentals we haven’t had anyone at wr in babers’ 6 years that I would consider above average.

 

[Cuse181]

So you’re comparing Syracuse to Alabama? Lol ok never mind

Reading comprehension is hard, I was using hyperbole because expecting Syracuse to have this deep stable of guys on the bench for the O-line and on defense is ridiculous as very few teams have that, and even fewer (if any) are private northeastern schools. But please, tell me more about what Syracuse offers that should put the team in a position to have all of this talented depth that you think they should have?

How about Wake or Nc State?

NC state is a southern state school, matches my description of where football is moving to a “T.” Also, 2019 NC state (despite being a better program) is a perfect example of what can happen to a better program when O-line and QBs go down, the season falls apart and blowouts ensue.

 

[Cuse181]

Wake has 3 WRs better than any on our roster

BC has Zay Flowers who would be the most talented WR we have had since Mike Williams

Pitt’s WR Addison leads the country

These are peer teams, not Alabama

Other than Dino finding AET and the kid from Mich St as one year rentals we haven’t had anyone at wr in babers’ 6 years that I would consider above average.

Taj was a very talented receiver who hasn’t had a QB who can get him the ball. Alford is promising but again, doesn’t have a QB who can get him the ball. Custis was formed under Babers.

Zay Flowers is a once in a generation player for BC and he’s essentially useless if you don’t have a QB. Addison leads the nation because they have a stellar QB, as for wake, out side of AT, I don’t think the other guys are that special, they benefit from a good QB as well. Seeing a theme here? Pretending like all of syracuses struggles and all of the peer team successes are in a vacuum is pretty short sighted if not outwardly biased.