Pet peeve, sorry...Really
Pet peeve, sorry...Really
If he was as good as some think he would put up unbelievable stats in 35+ minutes a night and turned pro. He would be gone anywayWould have been fun to see how Kadary did this year with no other PG on the team and players surrounding him like Ennis had.
That's a lot of anecdotal evidence. I'm super impressed.In his too. And in most Syracuse and every non Syracuse college b-ball fan that I know, that have texted me throughout the year(Bonnies, Maryland, Duke, etc) - ie “what is Boeheim doing with Kadary?”
Exactly, the staff wanted him to be a 2 year guy. Maybe G league is a better option for him.If he was as good as some think he would put up unbelievable stats in 35+ minutes a night and turned pro. He would be gone anyway
So was he taking what the defenses showed him? Were people being locked up and he was more open? Were people standing around and waiting for someone to do something? I think a kid dropping dimes the way he does is just as attractive as scoring to a future school especially at pg, but maybe that's just me. I think he was starting to break out tools according to what was going on, on the court. Never felt he was playing outside himself or being selfish.As the season progressed, Kadary looked for his shot a lot more. The last 10 games or so he played, his assist totals dropped dramatically.
I asked this question before. Why? At this point, I wonder if he had decided by that point to leave and focused on scoring so he would be more attractive to other schools.
Maybe the narrative of “what the hell is this guy talking about/doing here?” was fueled by his “Kadary is out of shape, can’t play more than 20 minutes, can’t shoot, isn’t as good on defense as Joe, +/- from one game to get Pat/5’2 reporter” nonsense comments that he made all season long?That's a lot of anecdotal evidence. I'm super impressed.
I think reasonable people can agree that there's a case that he was used improperly. I can see it. I'm nodding in the direction of the narrative and don't think it's crazy.
I also think there's a case that JB had a plan to get him to where he needed to be and him coming off the bench gradually, having handcuffs on when to shoot the 3 (both have historical evidence in support) was a part of the plan. The thing that drives me nuts is that there is zero room in your take to allow this possibility.
I've yet to read a plausible reason *why* JB would play Joe over Kadary. It's always "playing favorites" or that he's stubborn or he doesn't understand the stats like our message board fans. I think that's nonsense.
I was shocked when I read those quotes from Kadary.
I have never heard of a player leaving the Syracuse basketball program because he needed more freedom. I think it is general knowledge that JB gives his players a lot more freedom than almost any coach at the college level.
Not sure if Kadary is naive, doesn't understand how coaches operate at this level or just said something that he thought would sound good (where the real reason he is leaving is playing time).
The troubling thing to me is that Kadary and JB apparently had a disagreement about how much he shot the ball.
As the season progressed, Kadary looked for his shot a lot more. The last 10 games or so he played, his assist totals dropped dramatically.
I asked this question before. Why? At this point, I wonder if he had decided by that point to leave and focused on scoring so he would be more attractive to other schools.
I really like Kadary as a player. He has some flaws in his game (including motor, which isn't always easy to fix), but he's a freshman who can certainly improve. I do think he's a better option at PG than Joe and the minutes probably should have been reflected as such.
However (Stephen A. Smith voice), I think there is an awful lot of handwringing over a guy that averaged 6 points, 3 assists and 2.5 rebounds in 20 minutes per game. Should he have been getting more than 20 minutes per game? Probably. But that's also not token minutes. His per-40 stats really aren't all that different from Joe's:
Kadary Per-40:
12.0 ppg, 5.8 apg, 5.0 rpg, 3.1 spg, 33% from 3, 45% from the field
Joe Per-40:
14.1 ppg, 5.1 apg, 4.2 rpg, 2.0 spg 33% from 3, 36% from the field (yeah that last part is bad)
We'll see where he ends up transferring to, but the track record of guys transferring out of Syracuse over the past 20+ years is pretty dismal. Sure, you can argue that he's one of the most talented out of that bunch, but he better do his research to land in a really good situation. If he truly wants to go somewhere that gives him a ton of freedom on offense to do his own thing (presumably at 35+ minutes per game), then I'm just going to assume that won't be at a P5 school.
JB has roles he wants his players to fill. And early on, he did not want KR hoisting 3s. Much like last year he did not want QG hoisting 3s. And if the player does it (and it's not successful) they will get pulled. It's a pretty effective method to get the point across.I was shocked when I read those quotes from Kadary.
I have never heard of a player leaving the Syracuse basketball program because he needed more freedom. I think it is general knowledge that JB gives his players a lot more freedom than almost any coach at the college level.
Not sure if Kadary is naive, doesn't understand how coaches operate at this level or just said something that he thought would sound good (where the real reason he is leaving is playing time).
The troubling thing to me is that Kadary and JB apparently had a disagreement about how much he shot the ball.
As the season progressed, Kadary looked for his shot a lot more. The last 10 games or so he played, his assist totals dropped dramatically.
I asked this question before. Why? At this point, I wonder if he had decided by that point to leave and focused on scoring so he would be more attractive to other schools.
I was shocked when I read those quotes from Kadary.
I have never heard of a player leaving the Syracuse basketball program because he needed more freedom. I think it is general knowledge that JB gives his players a lot more freedom than almost any coach at the college level.
Not sure if Kadary is naive, doesn't understand how coaches operate at this level or just said something that he thought would sound good (where the real reason he is leaving is playing time).
The troubling thing to me is that Kadary and JB apparently had a disagreement about how much he shot the ball.
As the season progressed, Kadary looked for his shot a lot more. The last 10 games or so he played, his assist totals dropped dramatically.
I asked this question before. Why? At this point, I wonder if he had decided by that point to leave and focused on scoring so he would be more attractive to other schools.
I was the first one saying “Goodine and Washington aren’t good” last year.LOL, I'm done with this thread. But by all means, keep convincing yourself that Kadary wasn't that good, and that this is a blessing in disguise.
Demand will be high for him (lot of Kadary fan boys out there) - he's wont be back.Technically he still can come back just because he entered the portal.
Not sure that’ll be the case with him, although it sounds like his only option is Florida State but things change quickly.
wish him well, if he changes his mind and decides to stay, then great for us. But really really doubt that happens
I was the first one saying “Goodine and Washington aren’t good” last year.
But they actually weren’t good. I wasn’t trying to irrationally defend every move Boeheim makes, I was just calling it what it was.
This is something else.
...and we’re being told to move on.
I’M TRYING...but people keep saying just complete nonsense. Let’s dead it. We lost a great player. Kadary was better than Joe this year, he should have started.
The End, let’s move on
His assists totals trended down dramatically towards the end of the season.he shot a grand total of 11 times in the last 4 games.
he was passing way too much vs Houston.
The house organ might want to try a different narative,
His assists totals trended down dramatically towards the end of the season.
Kadary Richmond - Men's Basketball - Syracuse University Athletics
Kadary Richmond (3) Guard - Freshman Year: In his Syracuse debut, Richmond tallied four points, three rebounds and an assist as the Orange defeated BRYANT ...cuse.com
He shot 12 times in the last 4 games. If you want to be taken seriously, at least learn to count.
If he was passing way too much against Houston, how is it that he only had 1 assist in 23 minutes of play?
Lastly, narative is not a word. I think you were trying to use the word narrative.
Though it makes no sense here. Like the rest of your post.
narrative definition (for future reference):
a spoken or written account of connected events; a story.
Hard to get assists when the ball doesn’t go in the basket - in the case of Houston.His assists totals trended down dramatically towards the end of the season.
Kadary Richmond - Men's Basketball - Syracuse University Athletics
Kadary Richmond (3) Guard - Freshman Year: In his Syracuse debut, Richmond tallied four points, three rebounds and an assist as the Orange defeated BRYANT ...cuse.com
He shot 12 times in the last 4 games. If you want to be taken seriously, at least learn to count.
If he was passing way too much against Houston, how is it that he only had 1 assist in 23 minutes of play?
Lastly, narative is not a word. I think you were trying to use the word narrative.
Though it makes no sense here. Like the rest of your post.
narrative definition (for future reference):
a spoken or written account of connected events; a story.
His assists totals trended down dramatically towards the end of the season.
Kadary Richmond - Men's Basketball - Syracuse University Athletics
Kadary Richmond (3) Guard - Freshman Year: In his Syracuse debut, Richmond tallied four points, three rebounds and an assist as the Orange defeated BRYANT ...cuse.com
He shot 12 times in the last 4 games. If you want to be taken seriously, at least learn to count.
If he was passing way too much against Houston, how is it that he only had 1 assist in 23 minutes of play?
Lastly, narative is not a word. I think you were trying to use the word narrative.
Though it makes no sense here. Like the rest of your post.
narrative definition (for future reference):
a spoken or written account of connected events; a story.
For those that need that sort of thing to be able to tell: the numbers are what they are, and they aren’t close.there is not even a weak argument that kadary isnt the better player and jb shouldn't have caved and guaranteed him the starting roll and 35 mpg. arguing the merits of kadary's basketball ability is not even worth the bandwith.