Marrone

[Bayside44]

Because "people" in Syracuse and Buffalo pulled power plays on him and when he left they orchestrated a social media campaign to make him the badguy/scapegoat. He could have went Pellini on the SU ADepartment but he didn't want to hurt the team and school , that he LOVES.

Oh come on, who at SU has the ability to orchestrate a social media campaign against anyone?

 

[dasher]

Because "people" in Syracuse and Buffalo pulled power plays on him and when he left they orchestrated a social media campaign to make him the badguy/scapegoat. He could have went Pellini on the SU ADepartment but he didn't want to hurt the team and school , that he LOVES.

Are you serious? Doug loves Doug. That isn't wrong. But don't mistake that for any love of Syracuse.

 

[Toga]

Oh come on, who at SU has the ability to orchestrate a social media campaign against anyone?

Well maybe inadvertently.

 

[Millhouse]

You answered your own question. Amazing so much hate.

He's just a football coach that pointed out what's necessary to play in the sandbox of big time college football. He left SU for whatever reason, we suddenly get the IPF to play catch up, nothing more. I saw the IPF plans at end of year 1. Tell us Bees, where did the money come from all of a sudden to build the IPF? You know as well as I know.

Regarding leaving the Bills. He knew going in that their could be a change in ownership. How many HCs end up getting canned with a change in ownership. You do know his wife is a contract and trial lawyer - smart lady and probably helped write that opt out clause into the contract. He simply said - look we had a winning season first time in a decade, give me a contract extension to show your support and I'll stay, if not I'm not going to stay committed to you. They said no, he said see you later.

The problem with SU and the Bills is the same. Backwards negative thinking! Nothing is ever positive in Upstate NY! The community at large reflects many of the negativity on this Board. Plain and simple for the naysayers who cannot see anything positive no matter what.

He took 2 teams, 1 on the college level and 1 on the NFL level from disastrous years of losing seasons and turned them both around. He is a hot commodity and the 4 teams that are interviewing him now see a hot commodity because they want to turn around their programs. He has proven he can do that. And has proven he can do that in just 2 short years.

Now for Millhouse and other naysayers. Can he take a team to the Super Bowl with the right talent? We don't know that yet. That is the only point that we can agree on. We just don't know yet. If I were a betting man...

Go back to the last time they won 9 and go right through 2012. Average 6.3 wins. Douggernaut average 7.5. Whoopee. If 6.3 is a disaster, 7.5 ain't a turnaround

 

[djorange1989]

Because "people" in Syracuse and Buffalo pulled power plays on him and when he left they orchestrated a social media campaign to make him the badguy/scapegoat. He could have went Pellini on the SU ADepartment but he didn't want to hurt the team and school , that he LOVES.

People in the athletic department could have hammered Doug after he left as well. If he loves SU so much then he should have treated former players with respect. This is coming from someone who generally liked Doug a lot when he was here. I have no axe to grind. However I truly believe you can measure a person by how he/she treats "underlings" and it appears DM does not treat those people well. Good coach? Yep. Will he let his personal demons get the best of him with the Jets or the Bears or the Falcons? Yep.

 

[OburgOrange]

I wonder if he ever gave any thought to his staff, who are all now twisting in the wind? His guys, the ones he had to have.

 

[Finwad32]

Even as a Marrone fan, the stories that have come out are not reaches.

Arrogant/control freak and thin skinned are words or phrases that I think more than one person would use to describe some of his character traits.

I'd also say he's an opportunist, intuitive and intelligent amongst other things.

But, at this point, I've forgotten was this argument was even about.

 

[CousCuse]

Are you serious? Doug loves Doug. That isn't wrong. But don't mistake that for any love of Syracuse.

People in the athletic department could have hammered Doug after he left as well. If he loves SU so much then he should have treated former players with respect. This is coming from someone who generally liked Doug a lot when he was here. I have no axe to grind. However I truly believe you can measure a person by how he/she treats "underlings" and it appears DM does not treat those people well. Good coach? Yep. Will he let his personal demons get the best of him with the Jets or the Bears or the Falcons? Yep.

Grob was a nice guy , should have kept him .

 

[MadNY3]

Go back to the last time they won 9 and go right through 2012. Average 6.3 wins. Douggernaut average 7.5. Whoopee. If 6.3 is a disaster, 7.5 ain't a turnaround

That's right. Focus on the cumulative averages versus the progression that hasn't been seen in over a decade.

For all the meathead talk, this stat s h i t is often meaningless and fruitless. Nine wins (and shoudda been ten) in his second year as HC in the NFL. Good luck replacing that.

 

[CousCuse]

I wonder if he ever gave any thought to his staff, who are all now twisting in the wind? His guys, the ones he had to have.

They took the job , they re not children , come on.

 

[rrlbees]

You answered your own question. Amazing so much hate. He's just a football coach that pointed out what's necessary to play in the sandbox of big time college football. He left SU for whatever reason, we suddenly get the IPF to play catch up, nothing more. I saw the IPF plans at end of year 1. Tell us Bees, where did the money come from all of a sudden to build the IPF? You know as well as I know. Regarding leaving the Bills. He knew going in that their could be a change in ownership. How many HCs end up getting canned with a change in ownership. You do know his wife is a contract and trial lawyer - smart lady and probably helped write that opt out clause into the contract. He simply said - look we had a winning season first time in a decade, give me a contract extension to show your support and I'll stay, if not I'm not going to stay committed to you. They said no, he said see you later. The problem with SU and the Bills is the same. Backwards negative thinking! Nothing is ever positive in Upstate NY! The community at large reflects many of the negativity on this Board. Plain and simple for the naysayers who cannot see anything positive no matter what. He took 2 teams, 1 on the college level and 1 on the NFL level from disastrous years of losing seasons and turned them both around. He is a hot commodity and the 4 teams that are interviewing him now see a hot commodity because they want to turn around their programs. He has proven he can do that. And has proven he can do that in just 2 short years. Now for Millhouse and other naysayers. Can he take a team to the Super Bowl with the right talent? We don't know that yet. That is the only point that we can agree on. We just don't know yet. If I were a betting man...

Like a few others, you're talking about fans and/or the media. I think the point is people who matter. Those that work with or for him or are important to the programs. But u guess ALL of these people are just making things up. You know, it's one big conspiracy to get Doug.

 

[Millhouse]

That's right. Focus on the cumulative averages versus the progression that hasn't been seen in over a decade.

For all the meathead talk, this stat s h i t is often meaningless and fruitless. Nine wins (and shoudda been ten) in his second year as HC in the NFL. Good luck replacing that.

The progression is two years from six to nine. BFD. There is no progression beyond that because he's gone. So you want me to ignore year one because ...?

Gregg Williams had a five game improvement . Mularkey had a 3 game improvement. Jauron had a two game improvement

The difference between a two vs three game improvement (which is nothing special) is Tom Brady vs Janine garafalopolo

St Doug

 

[rrlbees]

Grob was a nice guy , should have kept him .

Yea, that's the point.

 

[rrlbees]

They took the job , they re not children , come on.

But he asked for extensions for them......

 

[OttoinGrotto]

That assumes that the anonymously sourced articles are accurate about him being sensitive to the media.

You don't need an anonymous source on that one.

 

[GoSU96]

https://twitter.com/jeremywgr/status/551571276850950146

Jeremy White.

Definition of a tool.

 

[dasher]

They took the job , they re not children , come on.

Grob was a nice guy , should have kept him .

Who said that? Doug is a decent coach. He is also imho a lousy person. He doesn't treat people well. He acts like a child. let him go to the Jets. The NY media will love him.

 

[CousCuse]

Like a few others, you're talking about fans and/or the media. I think the point is people who matter. Those that work with or for him or are important to the programs. But u guess ALL of these people are just making things up. You know, it's one big conspiracy to get Doug.

If HCSS doesn't work out , would you want Syracuse to go after a real established name coach OR another newbie. If you want the real coach , you will have to bow down and cater to him.

 

[GoSU96]

Even as a Marrone fan, the stories that have come out are not reaches.

Arrogant/control freak and thin skinned are words or phrases that I think more than one person would use to describe some of his character traits.

I'd also say he's an opportunist, intuitive and intelligent amongst other things.

But, at this point, I've forgotten was this argument was even about.

Sure he wants control, he's working in situations that demand it.

And yet in this article he's got sources complaining how he wants to control everything, and yet doesn't spend enough time controlling everything because he working with the OL.

And it's ridiculous to simplify the play calling with a QB that didn't spend one minute with the team in the preseason, didn't take one first team snap in the first four weeks, and who's best player is a rookie who is known to run the wrong routes at times.

What could he be thinking.

 

[GoSU96]

That was quite the "Welcome to NYC" write up.

Donnie Webb & other blackballed "journos" ought to welcome Mehta to the crew.

And yet he was able to get along with Dave Rahme, the nicest guy in the world.

 

[MadNY3]

The progression is two years from six to nine. BFD. There is no progression beyond that because he's gone. So you want me to ignore year one because ...?

Gregg Williams had a five game improvement . Mularkey had a 3 game improvement. Jauron had a two game improvement

The difference between a two vs three game improvement (which is nothing special) is Tom Brady vs Janine garafalopolo

St Doug

When you change corporate culture (or attempt to), year one is rarely a rocket up results wise. It's foundation changing. Strong success happens more often in college (see Florida post Zook) than in the bigs (Harbaugh is a rarity).

I laugh at Buffalo fans as if they think they have access to great coaches. Levy was the Boeheim of the franchise. That's long over and Marrone was likely the best coach since. He did opt out in his own arrogant way, but seems like most Jills fans are happy about that. Point to stupid statistics galore, but it just seems funny.

 

[MadNY3]

And yet he was able to get along with Dave Rahme, the nicest guy in the world.

The Rahme relationship is overblown.

Rookie HC built a relationship with ONE (good) reporter. Whoop de doo. Leaders are able to do that with the masses not one selected. Enough.

 

[Finwad32]

Sure he wants control, he's working in situations that demand it.

And yet in this article he's got sources complaining how he wants to control everything, and yet doesn't spend enough time controlling everything because he working with the OL.

And it's ridiculous to simplify the play calling with a QB that didn't spend one minute with the team in the preseason, didn't take one first team snap in the first four weeks, and who's best player is a rookie who is known to run the wrong routes at times.

What could he be thinking.

? I wasn't coming down on him for anything, just making statements supporting things that are fairly well known.

I could care less about the article. And I think he did well this year given the circumstances.

No dog in this fight brother.

I'm much more concerned with Bones Jones right now, just killing time.

 

[Millhouse]

When you change corporate culture (or attempt to), year one is rarely a rocket up results wise. It's foundation changing. Strong success happens more often in college (see Florida post Zook) than in the bigs (Harbaugh is a rarity). I laugh at Buffalo fans as if they think they have access to great coaches. Levy was the Boeheim of the franchise. That's long over and Marrone was likely the best coach since. He did opt out in his own arrogant way, but seems like most Jills fans are happy about that. Point to stupid statistics galore, but it just seems funny.

Ok Hollywood.

I like that you think counting wins is stupid statistics

The culture is changed now that the cheap meddling dinosaur owner passed away and a billionaire bought it. They have access to plenty now

 

[GoSU96]

You answered your own question. Amazing so much hate.

He's just a football coach that pointed out what's necessary to play in the sandbox of big time college football. He left SU for whatever reason, we suddenly get the IPF to play catch up, nothing more. I saw the IPF plans at end of year 1. Tell us Bees, where did the money come from all of a sudden to build the IPF? You know as well as I know.

Regarding leaving the Bills. He knew going in that their could be a change in ownership. How many HCs end up getting canned with a change in ownership. You do know his wife is a contract and trial lawyer - smart lady and probably helped write that opt out clause into the contract. He simply said - look we had a winning season first time in a decade, give me a contract extension to show your support and I'll stay, if not I'm not going to stay committed to you. They said no, he said see you later.

The problem with SU and the Bills is the same. Backwards negative thinking! Nothing is ever positive in Upstate NY! The community at large reflects many of the negativity on this Board. Plain and simple for the naysayers who cannot see anything positive no matter what.

He took 2 teams, 1 on the college level and 1 on the NFL level from disastrous years of losing seasons and turned them both around. He is a hot commodity and the 4 teams that are interviewing him now see a hot commodity because they want to turn around their programs. He has proven he can do that. And has proven he can do that in just 2 short years.

Now for Millhouse and other naysayers. Can he take a team to the Super Bowl with the right talent? We don't know that yet. That is the only point that we can agree on. We just don't know yet. If I were a betting man...

Here's a story about the likely "sources"

http://bills.buffalonews.com/2014/02/23/sources-disconnect-youngsters-lifers-bills-organization/

https://twitter.com/ByTimGraham/status/551108840184643584

This is just a guess but he probably has a problem with people not delivering on commitments and getting in the way of him doing his job which is winning. Responsibility without authority sucks when the people you rely on aren't doing their part or actively resisting change.

Administrative types with fiefdoms, jobs, and privileges to protect don't take kindly to being held to account.