Should Shafer be given a 3rd year? (LONG)

[RF2044]

part of the reason injuries were such a problem were because so many guys were chased off the team

Which was necessary to change the culture of the program.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

The Cubs just fired their manager after one year and hired Joe Maddon.

What is Maddon thinking?!

He's thinking he wants to be a legend before he retires. As soon as maddon resigned the writing was on the wall for sure. I love it

 

[elimunelson]

Adazzio chased off half the team he inherited too, but it didn't seem to hurt BC.

It's because Adazzio is a better coach. He's like a great mix of Marrone and Shafer. We need to find that guy and he's out there.

We should have listened to Rob Konrad.

 

[rrlbees]

Which was necessary to change the culture of the program.

Very very few were removed to "change the culture". None when the initial wave were asked to move on.

 

[Millhouse]

Which was necessary to change the culture of the program.

that's the story but i don't know if i believe it

 

[RF2044]

that's the story but i don't know if i believe it

I do. New coach demanding different things from the players, who wants to shake up a losing culture.

There were definitely some attrition of players who might have been able to contribute, but if they weren't willing to buy in and do what the new coach was demanding then they would have just been distractions. What's not to believe?

 

[CousCuse]

It's because Adazzio is a better coach. He's like a great mix of Marrone and Shafer. We need to find that guy and he's out there.

We should have listened to Rob Konrad.

Shafer beat Addazzio last year and SU won their bowl game, BC lost. BC plays Lville and Fsu the next 2 games , so we will see where they are at then. One thing to note : Their one year QB will be gone and AJ will just be getting better.

 

[wfschrec]

Maryland put up 34 points on what is a good defense, much of it through the air. The only explanation is that they had no idea that Maryland could throw the ball. My point was about being prepared to play a game, not about churning out yards (which is not like churning out points).

Brown threw for 280 yards ... MD had 369 total ... not exactly great. An INT returned for a score, a 28 yard TD drive and a drive of -3 yards to kick a FG ... does anyone watch these games? If that pick isn't thrown and they aren't gifted two scores MD puts up 20 points ... the same amount they scored in a win at Happy Valley ... mediocre or not they are 6-3 with wins over PSU, Iowa and took a very solid WVU team to the wire. Hell that same MD team had a better offensive performance against WVU than Baylor did. Reading some of this stuff makes me shake my head.

 

[wfschrec]

Shafer beat Addazzio last year and SU won their bowl game, BC lost. BC plays Lville and Fsu the next 2 games , so we will see where they are at then. One thing to note : Their one year QB will be gone and AJ will just be getting better.

Addazzio couldn't cut the mustard with U of talent ... he is not an elite coach I don't care what anyone says. At least not at this point.

 

[Pat Kelly]

Why can't a genius like you wait until after the last 3 games , which you graciously said that Scott could keep his job if he won. Do you think your making his job easier by turning up the heat on him. Can't you be at least that supportive and patient of a fan.

I don't think him posting on a message board is "turning up the heat". He's just stating his opinion.

 

[Millhouse]

Shafer beat Addazzio last year and SU won their bowl game, BC lost. BC plays Lville and Fsu the next 2 games , so we will see where they are at then. One thing to note : Their one year QB will be gone and AJ will just be getting better.

addazio is a serious meathead spaz

he punted on 4th and 4 down 30-14 in the 4th quarter to Pitt

 

[CousCuse]

I don't think him posting on a message board is "turning up the heat". He's just stating his opinion.

This is a public place , almost the same as yelling at the dome or his press conference. All kinds of people read this and all forums. He took great time to write his analysis , but wouldn't come right out and say Scott should be fired now , which would have been honest.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I like Addazio but certainly don't sit around dreaming of what if scenarios if we hired him. John Harbaugh, Chip Kelly, sure. Addazio? He's OK.

 

[Pat Kelly]

This is a public place , almost the same as yelling at the dome or his press conference. All kinds of people read this and all forums. He took great time to write his analysis , but wouldn't come right out and say Scott should be fired now , which would have been honest.

No, this is the equivalent of calling into talk radio and stating your opinion.

 

[CousCuse]

No, this is the equivalent of calling into talk radio and stating your opinion.

I would say calling into a radio show and basically saying the coach should be fired is turning up the heat . If you were in his place , you wouldn't feel like that ?

 

[JrodCuse]

I'm as optimistic as they come, but it is time to call a spade a spade. We aren't a very good football team. Maybe we can sit here and argue that the arrow is pointing up and not down, but right now we aren't very good.

The IPF *SHOULD* help, I don't see any way how it can hurt us as a team. Maybe some of these young kids develop and stay healthy and next year we are better than we have been the last 2 seasons. I don't know. But I have finally come to grips with the fact that we are, at best, a middle of the pack team and I don't see anything in the short term that can fix that (coaches, playcalling, playmakers, etc).

Sad but it is what it is.

 

[rrlbees]

that's the story but i don't know if i believe it

You are correct. The first group of 9 that got "the call" to meet with Marrone had nothing to do with culture. Nada. After that I guess you can say a few players, such as Williams, were impacted by a "change in culture. But the only 2 I can think of, knowing the story of many of them, were Williams and Speller, and Mayr one other whose name escapes me right now. Other kids left of course because they didn't like their prospects with the team. But the house cleaning of those first 9 were about, what I will call, harvesting scholarships. I'll leave it at that.

 

[rrlbees]

I do. New coach demanding different things from the players, who wants to shake up a losing culture. There were definitely some attrition of players who might have been able to contribute, but if they weren't willing to buy in and do what the new coach was demanding then they would have just been distractions. What's not to believe?

That is true but with a very few players.

 

[Pat Kelly]

I would say calling into a radio show and basically saying the coach should be fired is turning up the heat . If you were in his place , you wouldn't feel like that ?

So if someone feels that way, should they not be entitled to state their opinion?

 

[RF2044]

That is true but with a very few players.

What is it that Bill Parcells always talks about with locker room tipping point? All it takes is a few.

I don't suggest that all of the attrition departures were trouble makers. Several were people who didn't want to commit to what Marrone required--which is their prerogative, as they didn't sign up for that when they came to SU to play for another coach. And surely some of it had to do with clearing some dead weight to free up scholarships. There were also one or two head scratchers among the departures. But it wasn't all just about harvesting scholarships. It was also about setting a tone and changing the culture so that the team moving forward would be on the same page heading into the offseason.

 

[Millhouse]

You are correct. The first group of 9 that got "the call" to meet with Marrone had nothing to do with culture. Nada. After that I guess you can say a few players, such as Williams, were impacted by a "change in culture. But the only 2 I can think of, knowing the story of many of them, were Williams and Speller, and Mayr one other whose name escapes me right now. Other kids left of course because they didn't like their prospects with the team. But the house cleaning of those first 9 were about, what I will call, harvesting scholarships. I'll leave it at that.

and who were those marginal players he got with those extra scholarships?

i don't mean marginal as "bad player", i mean marginal as in those players who took the last 9 extra spots

part of a coaches job is to find backups that can perform

 

[Finwad32]

You are correct. The first group of 9 that got "the call" to meet with Marrone had nothing to do with culture. Nada. After that I guess you can say a few players, such as Williams, were impacted by a "change in culture. But the only 2 I can think of, knowing the story of many of them, were Williams and Speller, and Mayr one other whose name escapes me right now. Other kids left of course because they didn't like their prospects with the team. But the house cleaning of those first 9 were about, what I will call, harvesting scholarships. I'll leave it at that.

So this begs the moral question. Is it right for a new HC/Staff to harvest scholarships? At what point do we rationalize the release of scholarships for more wins or a better team? Do we at all?

This is the only example you need to know to determine whether college athletics are about the student athlete or the business.

 

[boog7]

This is a public place , almost the same as yelling at the dome or his press conference. All kinds of people read this and all forums. He took great time to write his analysis , but wouldn't come right out and say Scott should be fired now , which would have been honest.

I didn't say Shafer should be fired because I haven't definitively concluded that Shafer should be fired, not because I was being dishonest. I was simply expressing my opinions and asking questions, which by the way, is precisely what message boards are used for.

 

[rrlbees]

What is it that Bill Parcells always talks about with locker room tipping point? All it takes is a few. I don't suggest that all of the attrition departures were trouble makers. Several were people who didn't want to commit to what Marrone required--which is their prerogative, as they didn't sign up for that when they came to SU to play for another coach. And surely some of it had to do with clearing some dead weight to free up scholarships. There were also one or two head scratchers among the departures. But it wasn't all just about harvesting scholarships. It was also about setting a tone and changing the culture so that the team moving forward would be on the same page heading into the offseason.

The term change the culture was minimal. That was my point because people use it so globally. Nice sound bite but not founded in reality.

 

[RF2044]

The term change the culture was minimal. That was my point because people use it so globally. Nice sound bite but not founded in reality.

That's your opinion. Not what I've heard from other sources, who believed that the changes were needed and necessary to break ties with the culture left by the previous staff.