Shrader is a Leader

[TheCusian]

That's not true. The FSU game was also affected. The playcalling was very different from then to now. If he starts from day one, the offense likely evolves earlier and the FSU gameplan is different.

*Maybe

I’m in the camp of “wasn’t ready” - TD beat him out due to experience within the room. Until he played well enough while TD’s 4th Q implosion vs Rutgers made it an open question.

The only people capable of really answering this question are on the staff. You might be right - but I don’t think it’s truly possible to know.

I’m glad it got sorted moving fwd 10000%

 

[IthacaBarrel]

As soon as Dino stops making critical mistake the "hating spin doctors" will stop pointing them out. As of right now DB is a below average head coach. If he doesn't change his bad decisions he won't produce many wins and won't/shouldn't be the SU coach. If DB actually said "you have to see how they elevate their play in actual games" then why didn't GS play in the first game and only a few minutes in game two? I don't give credit to DB making the change because it was never really a balanced evaluation and only made the change due to TD's usual bad QB play in the Rutgers game. It really wasn't a hard choice at that point to give GS his time at starting QB.

Rough post.

 

[storange]

As soon as Dino stops making critical mistake the "hating spin doctors" will stop pointing them out. As of right now DB is a below average head coach. If he doesn't change his bad decisions he won't produce many wins and won't/shouldn't be the SU coach. If DB actually said "you have to see how they elevate their play in actual games" then why didn't GS play in the first game and only a few minutes in game two? I don't give credit to DB making the change because it was never really a balanced evaluation and only made the change due to TD's usual bad QB play in the Rutgers game. It really wasn't a hard choice at that point to give GS his time at starting QB.

It wasn’t a hard choice to bench TD ? I’ll 100 % disagree with that, heck at the time he did it I would say more then half the posters here were against it. It was a difficult move but the right one .

 

[Jake]

Woof. Bailey with some great stats. Shrader is actually getting pressured more per game than Tommy.

But it was the lines fault….

FTR, I’ve never felt Bailey was a DeVito schill.

 

[TheCusian]

As soon as Dino stops making critical mistake the "hating spin doctors" will stop pointing them out. As of right now DB is a below average head coach. If he doesn't change his bad decisions he won't produce many wins and won't/shouldn't be the SU coach. If DB actually said "you have to see how they elevate their play in actual games" then why didn't GS play in the first game and only a few minutes in game two? I don't give credit to DB making the change because it was never really a balanced evaluation and only made the change due to TD's usual bad QB play in the Rutgers game. It really wasn't a hard choice at that point to give GS his time at starting QB.

Every coach gets some of that stuff wrong some of the time. I think it’s right to call him out on it - but - the overall direction of the program this entire season (close losses included) has been good and might be looked at as great by the end of the year. He gets credit for that too.

My problem with the detractors is they shifted what they were complaining about without giving the HC credit for the items fixed. He can and will have stuff he’s not good at and stuff he’s good at. He can be both.

 

[TheCusian]

Woof. Bailey with some great stats. Shrader is actually getting pressured more per game than Tommy.

But it was the lines fault….

FTR, I’ve never felt Bailey was a DeVito schill.

To be fair - it can be difficult to determine who is at fault when offense really requires all parts to do their jobs.

I will publicly acknowledge that I thought it was primarily OL and some TD. I was wrong in the % attributed … TD needs too clean a pocket and was too slow in his decision making. Crow is yum lol

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Woof. Bailey with some great stats. Shrader is actually getting pressured more per game than Tommy.

But it was the lines fault….

FTR, I’ve never felt Bailey was a DeVito schill.

How can that be?

Shrader hasn't had a Trishton or Taj to throw to either.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Woof. Bailey with some great stats. Shrader is actually getting pressured more per game than Tommy.

But it was the lines fault….

FTR, I’ve never felt Bailey was a DeVito schill.

Syracuse QB needs to be able to scramble for yards, run the ball, take some hits and have above average football toughness, just the way it works. There can be some variation obviously but Nassib, Dungey, Shrader were all tough dudes who never shied away from contact whether they should at times is debatable. It's not just playing dinged up, it's taking hits throughout the game and keep coming back. It's getting 2-3 yards when you can throw the ball out of bounds and not take a hit. Neither looks great at the time but they make a big difference

 

[Jake]

To be fair - it can be difficult to determine who is at fault when offense really requires all parts to do their jobs.

I will publicly acknowledge that I thought it was primarily OL and some TD. I was wrong in the % attributed … TD needs too clean a pocket and was too slow in his decision making. Crow is yum lol

Be sure to share your plate.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

To be fair - it can be difficult to determine who is at fault when offense really requires all parts to do their jobs.

I will publicly acknowledge that I thought it was primarily OL and some TD. I was wrong in the % attributed … TD needs too clean a pocket and was too slow in his decision making. Crow is yum lol

It was probably 2/3 OL issue and 1/3 Tommy holding the ball too long issue. But on top of that Tommy rarely was able to bail out the OL by avoiding the sack. That is still the OL's fault that the sack happened. Shrader can bail out the poor pass protection.

 

[721Comstock]

It was probably 2/3 OL issue and 1/3 Tommy holding the ball too long issue. But on top of that Tommy rarely was able to bail out the OL by avoiding the sack. That is still the OL's fault that the sack happened. Shrader can bail out the poor pass protection.

THIS.

It really is remarkable how often he makes the first guy thru miss.

And then very often still make some positive play, either running or throwing.

Tommy would simply just get sacked, or run to his right and either throw it away (which is not terrible) or run out of bounds (which is).

 

[Dcuse]

As soon as Dino stops making critical mistake the "hating spin doctors" will stop pointing them out. As of right now DB is a below average head coach. If he doesn't change his bad decisions he won't produce many wins and won't/shouldn't be the SU coach. If DB actually said "you have to see how they elevate their play in actual games" then why didn't GS play in the first game and only a few minutes in game two? I don't give credit to DB making the change because it was never really a balanced evaluation and only made the change due to TD's usual bad QB play in the Rutgers game. It really wasn't a hard choice at that point to give GS his time at starting QB.

You need some mirror time my friend. You are the definition of Baber hater. He could deliver a NT and you wouldn't give him credit.

 

[Killdozer]

It wasn’t a hard choice to bench TD ? I’ll 100 % disagree with that, heck at the time he did it I would say more then half the posters here were against it. It was a difficult move but the right one .

And the other half were for it

 

[money3189]

As soon as Dino stops making critical mistake the "hating spin doctors" will stop pointing them out. As of right now DB is a below average head coach. If he doesn't change his bad decisions he won't produce many wins and won't/shouldn't be the SU coach. If DB actually said "you have to see how they elevate their play in actual games" then why didn't GS play in the first game and only a few minutes in game two? I don't give credit to DB making the change because it was never really a balanced evaluation and only made the change due to TD's usual bad QB play in the Rutgers game. It really wasn't a hard choice at that point to give GS his time at starting QB.

You have to realize coaches say a lot of things that are not true. I dont believe half the things they say. They all lie.

 

[Killdozer]

Every coach gets some of that stuff wrong some of the time. I think it’s right to call him out on it - but - the overall direction of the program this entire season (close losses included) has been good and might be looked at as great by the end of the year. He gets credit for that too.

My problem with the detractors is they shifted what they were complaining about without giving the HC credit for the items fixed. He can and will have stuff he’s not good at and stuff he’s good at. He can be both.

My issue was many, including me, wanted to move on from TD a year ago. We were met with a lot of criticism from others (you for instance) even though there was a lot of evidence that TD was not the guy to lead SU.

I have always given DB credit for changing the DC and it has worked out much better then I anticipated. However, his first choice left after a few days for another team. Bringing in the new OL was huge and has paid many dividends already and the OL looking better every game!

As you can tell, I am not a big fan of DB's head coaching abilities at a P5 level. Seems like he is learning on the job and it just adds to the previous 20 years of dismal SU football. As a fan, I would like to see steady winning like back in the Coach P days. I don't think asking to go to a bowl game most years is to much to ask for.

I like DBs personality just like everyone here, however that does not make him a good coach. That is a "black & white" view with no gray area. IMO, wins and losses are the only thing that shows the true capabilities of a P5 head coach.

 

[Killdozer]

You have to realize coaches say a lot of things that are not true. I dont believe half the things they say. They all lie.

That is true and the only reason that wins and losses are the only true evaluator of a head coach.

 

[Killdozer]

You need some mirror time my friend. You are the definition of Baber hater. He could deliver a NT and you wouldn't give him credit.

I'm a hater because I disagree with you? I just want a coach that can get SU to bowl games consistently and that has not been DB. Are you DB's relative? You have this infatuation for a coach with a losing record. Yeah, he has a great personality but he has shown he cannot win at the P5 level consistently. I hope for all SU fans that changes, but so for there is no proof.

 

[storange]

I'm a hater because I disagree with you? I just want a coach that can get SU to bowl games consistently and that has not be DB. Are you DB's relative? You have this infatuation for a coach with a losing record. Yeah, he has a great personality but he has shown he cannot win at the P5 level consistently. I hope for all SU fans that changes, but so for there is no proof.

Yes , Dcuse is his grandfather.

 

[money3189]

That is true and the only reason that wins and losses are the only true evaluator of a head coach.

I was just commenting about not taking everything a coach say to heart but now I see that you're frustrated. We all are. We all want consistency in the program.

 

[Chip]

I am all for Shrader but his passing has a long way to go.

For comparison vs the P5 other running QBs who are not good passers:

Shrader 115.15
Burmeister 121.13
Anthony Brown 135.51
Cunningham 140.03

Those 3 cannot pass the ball and Shrader is well below them.

It definitely needs work, but the optimist in me wants to see if it's improving with each week. A little step back at VT compared to Wake (and a Clemson step back which I'd give him a mulligan).

Liberty - 83.6
FSU - 117
Wake - 129.8
Clemson - 92.8
VT - 124.8

Nothing great yet, but the WRs are gaining confidence and I think he is as well. He can get by with lower than average because of what he does on the ground.

If he and the WRs keep improving, man... He still got away with a couple of passes at VT that could have easily been INTs.

 

[Dcuse]

My issue was many, including me, wanted to move on from TD a year ago. We were met with a lot of criticism from others (you for instance) even though there was a lot of evidence that TD was not the guy to lead SU.

I have always given DB credit for changing the DC and it has worked out much better then I anticipated. However, his first choice left after a few days for another team. Bringing in the new OL was huge and has paid many dividends already and the OL looking better every game!

As you can tell, I am not a big fan of DB's head coaching abilities at a P5 level. Seems like he is learning on the job and it just adds to the previous 20 years of dismal SU football. As a fan, I would like to see steady winning like back in the Coach P days. I don't think asking to go to a bowl game most years is to much to ask for.

I like DBs personality just like everyone here, however that does not make him a good coach. That is a "black & white" view with no gray area. IMO, wins and losses are the only thing that shows the true capabilities of a P5 head coach.

You could literally attach this post to a 1985 thread and replace Babers name with Macpherson. Did you lead the Sack Mac movement?

 

[MikeSU02]

Woof. Bailey with some great stats. Shrader is actually getting pressured more per game than Tommy.

But it was the lines fault….

FTR, I’ve never felt Bailey was a DeVito schill.

Again, wish Tommy nothing but the best, but I'm glad we have GS.

We'll never have the OL for a QB to just play pitch and catch back there.

Looking forward to having Shrader for a few more years.

I am hoping once we get more healthy and the young guys get more reps (especially with GS back there), that the OL can level up. It's one of those groupings where the whole can be more than the sum of its parts.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

You can’t teach leadership.

This is awesome.

I mean, Syracuse University literally has multiple programs that teach leadership.

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But I get your point. Some people are natural leaders, and some people act in a way that makes you want to act the same way. Shrader has a lot of moxie, and appears to have some natural leadership qualities, jorts notwithstanding.

 

[upperdeck]

the QB stats are really skewed by some things out of the Qbs control.. he cant make guys catch it, he cant make guys run after they catch it.

we really have been on the low end of the easy TDs lately from blown coverages.. Whether thats scheme or talent who knows.

 

[kingtidge]

Kid carried this team on his back. He is a warrior. Amazing effort one of the best single game efforts i have seen in my 57 years of SU football. Amazing!

Best since mcnabb for sure. He’s more like Don Mac w his throwing and ability to run.
Winning in Blacksburg is hard!

C'mon... Seriously no love for Diamond Ferri @ BC 2004 ?? Most dominant performance I have ever seen...

Star running back Walter Reyes was out for Syracuse due to injury. His replacement, Damien Rhodes, ran for a 69 yard touchdown on the game's first play from scrimmage. He would leave later in the first quarter with an injury of his own.

Down two running backs, the Orange turned to starting safety Diamond Ferri to fill the void. Ferri spent his first two years at Syracuse playing running back and was an accomplished back in high school. All Ferri did was torch Boston College on both sides of the ball scoring three total touchdowns.

Ferri ran 28 times for 141 yards and two touchdowns offensively. His insertion into the offensive game plan did not take him out off of the field on the defensive side of the ball. Ferri played nearly every snap at safety, and even intercepted Matt Ryan in the fourth quarter. He returned that interception 44 yards for a score. In addition to scoring on offense and defense, Ferri also returned two punts for eight yards.