Thamels Has Babers Top UMD Option

[elimunelson]

Dino Babers is NOT STUPID.

Anyone who takes the Maryland job is either stupid, desperate or insanely confident in his ability to do the near impossible.

Therefore, no matter how much money they throw at him, he knows it's a fool's errand that will almost certainly wreck his coaching career.

Maryland had a hard time competing in the ACC. Competing in the eastern division of the B1G is a pipe dream for Maryland, Smart people, like Dino, don't volunteer for suicide missions.

I don't care who they get at Maryland. They are going to be fighting Rutgers to stay out of last place in that division for decades and the stands are going to stay half-filled.

I do have a suggestion for Maryland, however,

They need someone who has no scruples what-so-ever. A coach who lies to everyone all the time and who bullies and leverages every situation. The obvious candidate is Greg Schiano.

Friend of mine played for Rutgers and he claims he may go back to Rutgers. You can always go home.

 

[CousCuse]

I think you might be going insane. He is nowhere near their radar.

So Lincoln Riley is so much better than Dino? The Browns are in as bad a need of a spiritual revival as the Orange ever were, and that is what Coach Babers specializes in.

 

[dollarbill44]

So Lincoln Riley is so much better than Dino? The Browns are in as bad a need of a spiritual revival as the Orange ever were, and that is what Coach Babers specializes in.

The reason Lincoln Riley is being mentioned for the Browns job is that he was Baker Mayfield's coach at OU.

 

[CousCuse]

Plank's no dummy. He get's the concept of good money after bad.

Besides, his money given to St. John's high school has actually produced some results.

Plank's the one who organized and funded the social media campaign to make it sound like every UM fan and alum wanted to go to the B1G and mute any voices that opposed it. I think he thought that UM to the B1G would open up all those schools to UA. In reality very few UM fans or alums eabted to go to the mid-west.

 

[Townie72]

Friend of mine played for Rutgers and he claims he may go back to Rutgers. You can always go home.

You mean like Joe Gibbs went back to the Redskins for a second act and succeeded?

The quote is "You can't go home again".

 

[CousCuse]

The reason Lincoln Riley is being mentioned for the Browns job is that he was Baker Mayfield's coach at OU.

I understand that. College coaches do become pro coaches, from time to time. If I had billions of dollars and one of my toys was an NFL team, I would look at Dino and think, "I really want him to lead and represent my franchise". And then I would direct my football people to study what kind of support and staff he would need and could be put together to make it viable.

 

[OttoMets]

Dino is going to be a top candidate for a lot of jobs. He is one of the hottest head coaches in college football. That is a fact. It makes no sense to attack journalists for stating facts.

Also, I know Pete has been and continues to be a great mentor for young journalists coming out of Newhouse. I don't know him at all but I think this is commendable.

Some of his stories about his alma mater seem over the top a bit...at times I think he tries too hard to be objective. Definitely not sympathetic to programs breaking rules.

Good post among the madness.

 

[OttoMets]

Then he will leave. The University isnt going to pay that kinda money. Frankly, as an alum and a donor, I don't want them to.

GREAT post among the madness.

 

[Rocco]

Plank's no dummy. He gets the concept of good money after bad.

Besides, his money given to St. John's high school has actually produced some results.

Or the fact that his company is in free fall. The UA stock price has been completely dismantled over the last 3 years. It's lost about 2/3 of its value in that span. He spent too much, too fast.

 

[blizz]

The AD isn't some holding company in the corporate sense. The athletic dept is there to fund the athletic dept. if they decide to take money to fund other projects w cash that's the MO of a private school. There are rooms in Maxwell that say "this was funded by the 1992 Fiesta Bowl". To me that's a great thing if you are an alumni of the school.

I want the AD to run in the black and to dividend (if that's the right word in academia) money to the school to support other endeavors. that to me is a healthy college. As i've said, if the school goes full SEC and spends stupid money for a coach to stay it won't pay off ultimately. The northeast schools have caps on what they can do in these arms races. we've never competed vs, say Georgia, in football budgets and that's ok. We can compete on the field still

Schools that pay that kind of crazy money have a good portion of the contract funded by the booster club.

Donate.

Both valid points and I agree with both of you and like many here, I do what I can.

Simple point I was trying to make is that the notion that there is no money is bull. There is some room to move though and we should continue to make careful investments. Should we go crazy? No, I'm not trying to argue becoming SEC lite.

 

[blizz]

I dont expect to compete with the biggest of the big teams. Eventually, he will likely go. But it would be nice to elevate him into the $3.5-4 mill range, enough to keep him here for 5-6 years instead of 3-4, building a deeper foundation, establishing better recruiting and better assistant coaches, leaving the program better positioned to keep moving forward, rather than cratering.

This. Is this unreasonable?

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

This. Is this unreasonable?

Nope. But that won't keep Dino at SU. He's a professional football coach. In my experience, unless there is a really compelling reason, most professionals will leave their current jobs for ones that afford better compensation, and better opportunities for success. We shouldnt be shocked or dismayed if Dino does the same. We should however, be prepared to say, "next man up."

 

[reedny]

Nope. But that won't keep Dino at SU. He's a professional football coach. In my experience, unless there is a really compelling reason, most professionals will leave their current jobs for ones that afford better compensation, and better opportunities for success. We shouldnt be shocked or dismayed if Dino does the same. We should however, be prepared to say, "next man up."

I think you're getting waaaay out ahead of this. Dino's a hot coach, sure. But he's also a man of principle. I think he meant what he said when he came here (destination). And from all appearances, JW and DB have a great relationship. It's clear that JW wants Dino to remain the head coach and it's equally clear that DB wants to stay here. Anything's possible ... but unless something significant changes I think SU will do what it can within reason to retain him, including offering an attractive extension package. He deserves no less.

 

[TheCusian]

Nope. But that won't keep Dino at SU. He's a professional football coach. In my experience, unless there is a really compelling reason, most professionals will leave their current jobs for ones that afford better compensation, and better opportunities for success. We shouldnt be shocked or dismayed if Dino does the same. We should however, be prepared to say, "next man up."

I think this is a too black and white reading of things. It's not just "better x and better y" - It's age, how much he and his wife like it here, how *much* better of an opportunity is it, etc.

We have underrated Syracuse for years as a place that coaches like to coach. Dino has shown a propensity to go where others won't and see things differently. Briles did a lot of things wrong - but he did go to a place no one thought was any good and built something with national relevance. Dino strikes me as the kind of guy that likes to build and shock people. He likes a good story (movie buff). We are a good story.

Wildhack should be doing all he can to minimize the reasons to leave.

 

[orangepassion]

"Durkin has approximately $8.5 million left on his deal. Per his contract, if Maryland does not fire him for cause -- which the university is not doing, according to a spokesperson -- he is owed 65 percent of the total, which is $5.53 million".
This is in addition to the money they're going to have to pony up to the Mcnair family after the tragic death of their son. Shocked if he goes there.

Maryland fires coach Durkin after reinstatement

 

[RF2044]

I think this is a too black and white reading of things. It's not just "better x and better y" - It's age, how much he and his wife like it here, how *much* better of an opportunity is it, etc.

We have underrated Syracuse for years as a place that coaches like to coach. Dino has shown a propensity to go where others won't and see things differently. Briles did a lot of things wrong - but he did go to a place no one thought was any good and built something with national relevance. Dino strikes me as the kind of guy that likes to build and shock people. He likes a good story (movie buff). We are a good story.

Wildhack should be doing all he can to minimize the reasons to leave.

Not to mention, he'll already have three years invested into the rebuild here. The prospect of starting over from scratch might make other pastures less green -- especially if he's excited about the personnel he has / the future direction of our program he's shaping.

ALSO--I believe that having a taste of success this year was not just important for the fans, not just important for recruiting, but also important to prove to Dino Babers that he can win here at a high clip [~9 wins per year].

It isn't "faith without evidence" anymore.

 

[phil77]

I can see Dino leaving at some point I am not niave about the business side and what we can and can't offer. But I don't see how he would leave for a school like Maryland or a peer school. If he does leave it will be for a clear upgrade. Only peer type school I can see him leaving too would be to go back west Arizona or Cal or some place like that. Otherwise it will be for a clear upgrade in his situation.

 

[Alsacs]

It’s crazy Townie and I agree but I said that previously twice Schiano is about the best Maryland could do right now if Locksley’s 3-31 record scared them and they didn’t want Canada.
Schiano is on his last chance and he knows he was done wrong by Tennessee even though I don’t really feel bad for him but he makes 10x more sense than Babers.

Thamel is trolling SU.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

I think this is a too black and white reading of things. It's not just "better x and better y" - It's age, how much he and his wife like it here, how *much* better of an opportunity is it, etc.

We have underrated Syracuse for years as a place that coaches like to coach. Dino has shown a propensity to go where others won't and see things differently. Briles did a lot of things wrong - but he did go to a place no one thought was any good and built something with national relevance. Dino strikes me as the kind of guy that likes to build and shock people. He likes a good story (movie buff). We are a good story.

Wildhack should be doing all he can to minimize the reasons to leave.

What you cite are "compelling" reasons to you, and maybe to Babers - who knows? You wear the Orange-tinted glasses more proudly than anyone (I'd imagine you'd readily acknowledge this). In addition to the two primary reasons i mentioned (money and opportunity), don't discount the other things that drive many athletes/coaches, ultra competitive people - competition, ego, ambition, etc.

Dino's been, for all intents and purposes, a mercenary coach his entire career. He has made numerous moves to advance his position over time. To get a better title. To make more money. To win more. To win at a higher level. It's sweet that you think Syracuse is swell (i think so too), but there are better jobs out there (always is), and if the opportunity presents itself, "he gone."

 

[kirbivore]

My problem with these reports is that a reporter speculates, puts together a list like this based completely on their own opinion, prints it. Then another web page summarizes by saying "report: Babers a candidate for UM" or something like that, with a link to the original page but taking it out of context, then it becomes real to people depending on which version they see.

The dude of WV, Clay Travis, and Frank the Tank style of reporting

 

[Stern]

Kevin Plank has stopped the money flow.

But that could start up again at any time. We know those guys are fickle. If he makes a power play to get "more power" with calling shots with the school. He will throw money at the school the school will let him be the defacto AD and then the money train begins.

 

[UGHV]

Master of changing the subject.

But yeah, and I still talk trash about Addazzio. He’s not loved at BC, still. I don’t care for his style of football. He reminds me of a pro-wrestler.

Anyways, that you’re still beating the Shafer drum while we are ranked in the CFP ranking is absurd.

 

[Bayside44]

But that could start up again at any time. We know those guys are fickle. If he makes a power play to get "more power" with calling shots with the school. He will throw money at the school the school will let him be the defacto AD and then the money train begins.

Not really he seems a bit leveraged these days.

 

[anomander]

Not to mention, he'll already have three years invested into the rebuild here. The prospect of starting over from scratch might make other pastures less green -- especially if he's excited about the personnel he has / the future direction of our program he's shaping.

ALSO--I believe that having a taste of success this year was not just important for the fans, not just important for recruiting, but also important to prove to Dino Babers that he can win here at a high clip [~9 wins per year].

It isn't "faith without evidence" anymore.

Wonder if Ohana comes into play. Tough to preach family, but then bolt for the first enticing job offer. I really think he will only leave for a handful of jobs, and even then it will have to be the right situation.

 

[PhatOrange]

I understand that. College coaches do become pro coaches, from time to time. If I had billions of dollars and one of my toys was an NFL team, I would look at Dino and think, "I really want him to lead and represent my franchise". And then I would direct my football people to study what kind of support and staff he would need and could be put together to make it viable.

Dino has ZERO interest in the NFL. He has stated that a million times.