WVU - rivalry on hold, which is a shame...

[Eric15]

I've always respected West Virginia's football program. In the mid-2000s when VT/Miami/BC bolted and the conference desperately needed strong programs, they took care of business and went out and won multiple BCS games. All they had to do was beat an incredibly average Pitt team at home in the 2007 finale and they would have played for a national title, but they lost and LSU backed into it.

 

[omniorange]

Outside of Texas and Oklahoma (which are givens, but long shots), the only two B12 teams I would be interested in SU playing are WVU and TCU.

Some fan is doing a chart of how long it has taken each P5 team to play a team from each of the other 4 P5 conferences (not including bowl games). It's amazing how long a spread some teams take.

http://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/27zeku/when_was_the_last_time_the_big_ten_teams_played/

Nebraska last played an SEC team during the regular season in 1982 while Michigan last played an ACC back in 1995.

SEC is even worse than the Big Ten:

http://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/27yes8/when_was_the_last_time_the_sec_teams_played/

So far LSU is the leader with shortest current spread time being 7 years. If he allows WVU to count for SU like he did Texas to count for TAMU, then SU's spread will be 4 years.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[anglerman]

WVU is our biggest rival They are a program on the same level and SU has had many great games against them. It's sad and unfortunate that the college landscape has become what it is today and traditional rivalries such as this one are lost. Hopefully their is way that we could play them every other year so that the rivalry could be maintained

 

[thorpedo]

If this doesn't say it all, not sure what else will:

I've seen that before but it's for the Buffalo Fing Bills. Kind of similar IMO

 

[sufandu]

Personally I do not miss them. I like some of the new rivalries that we have.

I don't know that we've established any new rivalries yet.

 

[sufandu]

WVU is our biggest rival They are a program on the same level and SU has had many great games against them. It's sad and unfortunate that the college landscape has become what it is today and traditional rivalries such as this one are lost. Hopefully their is way that we could play them every other year so that the rivalry could be maintained

Given neither team has an in state rival like Clemson/South Carolina or Alabama/Auburn, it could make sense for it to be an annual game. I suppose the thing getting in the way of that is the backyard brawl. I wonder who the WVU fans would rather play, SU or Pitt? If all of the conferences weren't so hell bent on playing a million games in conference a few of these cross conference rivalries could actually exist.

 

[Cuseregular]

I'll never forget the D lineman being interviewed about an upcoming game laughing at the mention of Syracuse by a reporter in terms of a serious threat, and boom we beat them. Great great moment. Wish they'd interviewed him again after the game.

 

[orange79]

Given neither team has an in state rival like Clemson/South Carolina or Alabama/Auburn, it could make sense for it to be an annual game. I suppose the thing getting in the way of that is the backyard brawl. I wonder who the WVU fans would rather play, SU or Pitt? If all of the conferences weren't so hell bent on playing a million games in conference a few of these cross conference rivalries could actually exist.

I'd have to think their first choice would be Pitt. Closest thing to an in-state rivalry they have.

 

[sufandu]

I'd have to think their first choice would be Pitt. Closest thing to an in-state rivalry they have.

You're probably right. We have had some pretty heated games with them though. And they still seem to hate Marvin Graves more than just about any other player.

 

[Alsacs]

I wouldn't mind playing West Virginia, but their fanbase incessant hatred of the ACC makes me want nothing to do with them. WVU hates Pitt way more than Syracuse and the Eers-Panthers can't get together and play the backyard brawl so I doubt we will play them as they play Maryland annually for the most part.

Realignment has killed these rivalries Oklahoma-Nebraska, West Virginia-Pittsburgh, Kansas-Missouri, Texas-Texas A&M.

 

[Rocco]

I wouldn't mind playing West Virginia, but their fanbase incessant hatred of the ACC makes me want nothing to do with them. WVU hates Pitt way more than Syracuse and the Eers-Panthers can't get together and play the backyard brawl so I doubt we will play them as they play Maryland annually for the most part.

Realignment has killed these rivalries Oklahoma-Nebraska, West Virginia-Pittsburgh, Kansas-Missouri, Texas-Texas A&M.

Realignment really has killed many good annual games. On the other hand, we now get to play Clemson, Florida State and BC every year which is awesome. It will take awhile for schedules to shake out, but I really hope we see WVU on the schedule down the road.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Realignment really has killed many good annual games. On the other hand, we now get to play Clemson, Florida State and BC every year which is awesome. It will take awhile for schedules to shake out, but I really hope we see WVU on the schedule down the road.

it was a great game for sure, one that was one of the few we could gravitate towards no matter the record.

but Syracuse was clearly at best, #2 on the schedule for them. #1 being pit

the Orange are career bridesmaid in that one.

the schedule has been severely upgraded and we get boston every year. if we are truly New Yorks team, we need to use that as the grudge match game and not look back.

 

[HtownOrange]

it was a great game for sure, one that was one of the few we could gravitate towards no matter the record.

but Syracuse was clearly at best, #2 on the schedule for them. #1 being pit

the Orange are career bridesmaid in that one.

the schedule has been severely upgraded and we get boston every year. if we are truly New Yorks team, we need to use that as the grudge match game and not look back.

I'd love a Yankees/Red Sux tie-in. Can we get Doc Gross to work this angle? Regardless, the NY/Boston hatred should be marketed as the grudge match that superceeds a single sport.

 

[Rocco]

I'd love a Yankees/Red Sux tie-in. Can we get Doc Gross to work this angle? Regardless, the NY/Boston hatred should be marketed as the grudge match that superceeds a single sport.

That is a good idea for sure. No idea if the Yanks/Sox would want to be involved, but Cuse/BC at Fenway or Yanks Stadium in back to back years would be great.

 

[Trueblue25]

I agree that we're far #2 to Pitt on WVU's rivalry scale... but

We absolutely embarrassed WVU in that Pinstripe Bowl game. I get it, they thought they were entitled to a better bowl against a better opponent. But we literally kicked their a$$es up and down the field.

 

[dinosaurbbq]

If you couldn't tell, nobody here actually cares about stockpiling all kinds of toxic stuff right next to major waterways... until they're drinking (obvious) poison.

A few months later, I'm not sure anyone cares anymore. Granted, Morgantown is pretty far from where it happened, but the level of overall outrage from the mountain folk is a bit underwhelming. Many stereotypes we like to use on this board are actually pretty accurate, although in all honesty I much prefer the mountain peoples to the cloud of locusts that descends on campus from Jersey every fall. You thought it was bad at SU...well, those are the smarter ones...

Living in Charleston, where the water contamination happened, I can tell you the feeling is vastly different. Trust me, the outrage is still palpable. The public is, to a person, still very bothered by the chemical spill and is very concerned about toxic chemicals being close to water sources. Most people I know aren't drinking tap water or using it to cook and we are five months out from the spill right now. The government has failed to protect the public and the public knows it and is angered by it. A few restaurants have gone out of business due to the total loss of revenue for weeks, many others are still feeling the effects of decreased business. The water company literally passed on the charges for changing out their filters and flushing their lines to customers via surcharge approved by the government. The chemical company has had ongoing failures to monitor and breaches of containment ponds and there is nothing the average Joe can do except not drink the water and vote those who did nothing out of office, which is a distinct possibility.

 

[dinosaurbbq]

I'd have to think their first choice would be Pitt. Closest thing to an in-state rivalry they have.

Yes, Pitt would be their first choice and most WVU fans can't believe the backyard brawl annual game against Pitt has gone away and they expect it to come back at some point. WVU fans hate Syracuse and Marvin Graves' game is the chief reason for that. They would rather play Pitt and then Maryland and then probably Va Tech and then Syracuse and can't play even 3 of those out of conference every year due to the arduousness of that task and the inability to ever schedule new and varied opponents in the P5 out of conference. WVU can't play Pitt, Maryland, Va Tech, SU and an Alabama or LSU or Ohio State or Wisconsin. Its just too tough a schedule.

WVU fans are still very bothered that the ACC wouldn't let them in and just about all of them would make a move right now if they could. Geographically and rivalries both would benefit from the move to the ACC. Their best case scenario really is the Big 12 getting torn apart by Oklahoma and Kansas going to the B1G or Oklahoma and Texas going to the Pac12 and WVU being brought in to the ACC. If the Big 12 breaks apart and the ACC expanded by taking some of the Big 12, wouldn't you expect an offer first to Texas, then to WVU or both? That is what I would expect.

 

[dinosaurbbq]

it was a great game for sure, one that was one of the few we could gravitate towards no matter the record.

but Syracuse was clearly at best, #2 on the schedule for them. #1 being pit

the Orange are career bridesmaid in that one.

the schedule has been severely upgraded and we get boston every year. if we are truly New Yorks team, we need to use that as the grudge match game and not look back.

I would say Su is actually #3 or #4 in line behind Pitt, Maryland, and Va Tech in teams WVU wants to play annually.

 

[WoadBlue]

Yes, Pitt would be their first choice and most WVU fans can't believe the backyard brawl annual game against Pitt has gone away and they expect it to come back at some point. WVU fans hate Syracuse and Marvin Graves' game is the chief reason for that. They would rather play Pitt and then Maryland and then probably Va Tech and then Syracuse and can't play even 3 of those out of conference every year due to the arduousness of that task and the inability to ever schedule new and varied opponents in the P5 out of conference. WVU can't play Pitt, Maryland, Va Tech, SU and an Alabama or LSU or Ohio State or Wisconsin. Its just too tough a schedule.

WVU fans are still very bothered that the ACC wouldn't let them in and just about all of them would make a move right now if they could. Geographically and rivalries both would benefit from the move to the ACC. Their best case scenario really is the Big 12 getting torn apart by Oklahoma and Kansas going to the B1G or Oklahoma and Texas going to the Pac12 and WVU being brought in to the ACC. If the Big 12 breaks apart and the ACC expanded by taking some of the Big 12, wouldn't you expect an offer first to Texas, then to WVU or both? That is what I would expect.

That's not what I would expect. I would expect the ACC to want Texas, and be willing to take the Longhorns one of two ways. Take Texas and 1 other Big 12 school (probably Texas given the choice), or Texas joins the way ND has.

If it is the former, Texas would choose OU, with Baylor the leader should OU prefer something else.

I see no place for WVU.

 

[Hoo's That]

I wouldn't mind playing West Virginia, but their fanbase incessant hatred of the ACC makes me want nothing to do with them. WVU hates Pitt way more than Syracuse and the Eers-Panthers can't get together and play the backyard brawl so I doubt we will play them as they play Maryland annually for the most part.

Realignment has killed these rivalries Oklahoma-Nebraska, West Virginia-Pittsburgh, Kansas-Missouri, Texas-Texas A&M.

UVa-UNC was the the 4th-most played rivalry with no rational prospect of moving up until the defection of Mizzou and aTm to the SEC. We have now tied UT-aTm for 3rd and will pass them this year. In 2 years we will tie KU-Mizzou for 2nd and pass them in 3 years. That will leave only Minn-Wiscy ahead of us (and Miami (OH)-Cinci tied with us). Sad.

 

[dinosaurbbq]

That's not what I would expect. I would expect the ACC to want Texas, and be willing to take the Longhorns one of two ways. Take Texas and 1 other Big 12 school (probably Texas given the choice), or Texas joins the way ND has.

If it is the former, Texas would choose OU, with Baylor the leader should OU prefer something else.

I see no place for WVU.

My thought is that if the Big 12 is torn apart, you end up with 4 Power conferences of 16 teams each and only schools from those 4 eligible to play for a National Championship through the playoff system. Notre Dame would have to go all in to the ACC. That would leave a spot in the ACC for 1 more.

Yeah, no brainer Texas is first add if they'll come, but I don't think they will. Outside of Texas, I would think WVU is more attractive, due to geography, old rivalries and being a traditional Eastern Football power, than any currently non P5 conf. teams and is more likely than any other Big 12 team to come to the ACC (meaning Oklahoma schools and Kansas Schools and Iowa St. are more likely to go B1G or SEC, Texas schools to Pac 12 or SEC). Only other possibility is if Penn State wants to come to the ACC, which would absolutely be a much better add for all the same reasons.

Personally, I'd love to have WVU in the ACC so I could travel two hours to watch SU and other ACC games and because I miss the rivalry of WVU and SU and WVU would regain its natural rivalries with Pitt, Va Tech, and SU.

 

[Rocco]

UVa-UNC was the the 4th-most played rivalry with no rational prospect of moving up until the defection of Mizzou and aTm to the SEC. We have now tied UT-aTm for 3rd and will pass them this year. In 2 years we will tie KU-Mizzou for 2nd and pass them in 3 years. That will leave only Minn-Wiscy ahead of us (and Miami (OH)-Cinci tied with us). Sad.

That is unreal, pathetic and sad all at the same time. Historic rivalries carry(ied) no weight in the realignment.

Surprised Texas/OU or Bama/Auburn aren't higher up in the most played rivalries.

All good things must come to an end I suppose.

Side question Hoo - what do the year's signify in your sig?

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Living in Charleston, where the water contamination happened, I can tell you the feeling is vastly different. Trust me, the outrage is still palpable. The public is, to a person, still very bothered by the chemical spill and is very concerned about toxic chemicals being close to water sources. Most people I know aren't drinking tap water or using it to cook and we are five months out from the spill right now. The government has failed to protect the public and the public knows it and is angered by it. A few restaurants have gone out of business due to the total loss of revenue for weeks, many others are still feeling the effects of decreased business. The water company literally passed on the charges for changing out their filters and flushing their lines to customers via surcharge approved by the government. The chemical company has had ongoing failures to monitor and breaches of containment ponds and there is nothing the average Joe can do except not drink the water and vote those who did nothing out of office, which is a distinct possibility.

I'm glad to hear there's still a healthy level of concern down there. I have some close friends in St. Albans, but their water comes from the Coal River so they weren't affected.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Side question Hoo - what do the year's signify in your sig?

UVa LAX titles.

 

[Alsacs]

My thought is that if the Big 12 is torn apart, you end up with 4 Power conferences of 16 teams each and only schools from those 4 eligible to play for a National Championship through the playoff system. Notre Dame would have to go all in to the ACC. That would leave a spot in the ACC for 1 more.

Yeah, no brainer Texas is first add if they'll come, but I don't think they will. Outside of Texas, I would think WVU is more attractive, due to geography, old rivalries and being a traditional Eastern Football power, than any currently non P5 conf. teams and is more likely than any other Big 12 team to come to the ACC (meaning Oklahoma schools and Kansas Schools and Iowa St. are more likely to go B1G or SEC, Texas schools to Pac 12 or SEC). Only other possibility is if Penn State wants to come to the ACC, which would absolutely be a much better add for all the same reasons.

Personally, I'd love to have WVU in the ACC so I could travel two hours to watch SU and other ACC games and because I miss the rivalry of WVU and SU and WVU would regain its natural rivalries with Pitt, Va Tech, and SU.

If WVU ever got into the ACC I can't wait for Buckineer's reaction. That dude is one of the people on the WVU board who drinks the kool-aid of whatever conference WVU is in and currently HATES the ACC and props up the Big XII.

If the ACC expands it will be ND and whomever ND wants as 16 in a vacuum of the available contenders WVU would be the best over UConn, Cincy, but the ACC won't add anybody unless ND committed full-member status and they could call the shots on 16.