Syracuse - Wisconsin series announced

[Alsacs]

It may not be a major factor, but it is most certainly is a contributing factor.

For me, it is as simple as this: this program can not afford to increase the odds that it might miss bowl eligibility regardless of how great it would be play teams like Wisconsin.

Cmon on man. If we can't go 3-5 in conference play we have no business going to a bowl and that would imply going 3-1 in the non-conference. If we are saying we need 4-0 and 2-6 in ACC play to get bowl eligible we need to shut the program down as we are truly pathetic.

 

[007]

So we play 4 OOC games forever?

Kind of a quantum leap there, Scooch. There is nothing in between the LSU/Wisconsin/USCs of the world and 4 OOC games? Or, how about we stack 5 winning seasons in a row, with the 75 extra practices that would come with that, and then reassess how far "forever" is from there?

 

[007]

Cmon on man. If we can't go 3-5 in conference play we have no business going to a bowl and that would imply going 3-1 in the non-conference. If we are saying we need 4-0 and 2-6 in ACC play to get bowl eligible we need to shut the program down as we are truly pathetic.

How far from "truly pathetic" have we been the last 15 years? From the advent of the P5, there have only been 2 teams in that time that did not make an appearance in the Top 25. One is Indiana. Guess who the other one is. The math exercise you provided is irrelevant to the larger point I am trying to make. We are who we are at this point in time. The glory days are a distant memory. The program needs to string together a run of bowl appearances, deserved or not, just to start to get back some of the rep we lost a long time ago. That will also result in more practice time, and hopefully attract higher quality recruits. That's not going to come from getting smoked by LSU and not making a bowl by one game. Just like locking the gate to the dome doesn't make us hardnosed.

Like it or not, winning is the most important thing for the program right now.

 

[Alsacs]

How far from "truly pathetic" have we been the last 15 years? From the advent of the P5, there have only been 2 teams in that time that did not make an appearance in the Top 25. One is Indiana. Guess who the other one is. The math exercise you provided is irrelevant to the larger point I am trying to make. We are who we are at this point in time. The glory days are a distant memory. The program needs to string together a run of bowl appearances, deserved or not, just to start to get back some of the rep we lost a long time ago. That will also result in more practice time, and hopefully attract higher quality recruits. That's not going to come from getting smoked by LSU and not making a bowl by one game. Just like locking the gate to the dome doesn't make us hardnosed.

Like it or not, winning is the most important thing for the program right now.

Before last year we had to been to bowls 3 out of 4 years and the fourth year we went 5-7. Last year nuked all the progress we had made.

If we can't schedule 1 challenge OOC game and expect to go bowling we suck. Playing Wisconsin 5 years from now is good a series. Playing LSU and losing may not appeal to you, but I like watching interesting games. We have 3 other winnable OOC games if we go 3-1 in OOC then we need to go 3-5 in ACC or we don't deserve to get those extra practices.

 

[Scooch]

Kind of a quantum leap there, Scooch. There is nothing in between the LSU/Wisconsin/USCs of the world and 4 OOC games? Or, how about we stack 5 winning seasons in a row, with the 75 extra practices that would come with that, and then reassess how far "forever" is from there?

We have plenty of winnable games. Playing one premium OOC a year ain't gonna sink the program. And recruits want to play good OOC games.

And what's funny is that lets say we schedule some "lower tier" P5 team for five years from now, and then they end up being good! It's not like it's a given that Illinois or Purdue or Iowa State or whoever is guaranteed to be dreadful five or six years from now.

So yeah, the only "safe" way to pad the schedule is playing four crappy OOC teams.

 

[Scooch]

I hope everyone braces themselves because the trajectory of college football is going to see teams play increasingly tougher schedule, not easier.

 

[007]

If we can't schedule 1 challenge OOC game and expect to go bowling we suck. Playing Wisconsin 5 years from now is good a series. Playing LSU and losing may not appeal to you, but I like watching interesting games.

I think you have this part backwards Al. We suck now and, with a few exceptions, we have sucked for 15 years. If not playing "interesting" OOC games increases the odds that we can start the climb back to respectability, it makes sense to me that that is the game you have to play...for now.

 

[Alsacs]

I think you have this part backwards Al. We suck now and, with a few exceptions, we have sucked for 15 years. If not playing "interesting" OOC games increases the odds that we can start the climb back to respectability, it makes sense to me that that is the game you have to play...for now.

We don't suck now. We had a pathetic 2014 season. 2010,2012,2013 were all bowl seasons. Now I happen to be a critic of this staff but I am willing to hope I am 100% wrong because I want the program to win.
Look at BC they were pathetic under Coach Spaziani but Addazio has them on the upswing. Playing 4 creampuffs isn't going to get us back to respectability. You make this program out to be the program under Gerg. Marrone made us mediocre which is a heck of a lot better.

 

[007]

We have plenty of winnable games. Playing one premium OOC a year ain't gonna sink the program. And recruits want to play good OOC games.

And what's funny is that lets say we schedule some "lower tier" P5 team for five years from now, and then they end up being good! It's not like it's a given that Illinois or Purdue or Iowa State or whoever is guaranteed to be dreadful five or six years from now.

So yeah, the only "safe" way to pad the schedule is playing four crappy OOC teams.

I get it Scooch. 5 years from now, who has the better chance of being an elite program Illinois or Wisconsin? We don't have to schedule total crap to increase the odds of winning. We have to schedule smarter.

 

[007]

We don't suck now. We had a pathetic 2014 season. 2010,2012,2013 were all bowl seasons. Now I happen to be a critic of this staff but I am willing to hope I am 100% wrong because I want the program to win.
Look at BC they were pathetic under Coach Spaziani but Addazio has them on the upswing. Playing 4 creampuffs isn't going to get us back to respectability. You make this program out to be the program under Gerg. Marrone made us mediocre which is a heck of a lot better.

And Marrone thought the OOC schedule was stupid. How much faster would the program turn the corner if those Marrone teams won 9 or 10 games in 2010 and 2012, and made it to a bowl in 2011? If you think that wouldn't have made much of a difference, then this is where we just agree to disagree.

 

[Alsacs]

And Marrone thought the OOC schedule was stupid. How much faster would the program turn the corner if those Marrone teams won 9 or 10 games in 2010 and 2012, and made it to a bowl in 2011? If you think that wouldn't have made much of a difference, then this is where we just agree to disagree.

2010 we went 3-2 in OOC and 4-3 in the Big East. 7-5
2011 we went 4-1 in the OOC and 1-6 in the Big East. 5-7
2012 we went 2-3 in the OOC and 5-2 in the Big East w/o WVU. 7-5

Sorry but the BE schedule was so weak we had to play tougher teams now the 2012 schedule was stupid but that was on Gross/Frasier for not getting the job done. Our program is not pathetic because of the OOC schedule it has been pathetic because Greg Robinson cratered the program and DM brought us back to the end of the Coach P era.

Our facilities were pathetic and that hurt recruiting. Putting our programs struggles on the OOC scheduling is weak excuse. We were mediocre until last year.

 

[bballbeadle]

As a Wisconsin alum, I think that's interesting. I have become very tight with four of my fellow high school and college friends specifically due to Syracuse playing Wisconsin in basketball. We had rather drifted, you know how it goes. Now, we are like a tight pack of demented dingoes (um, Badgers?) and are planning a rendez-vous in Madison next summer!

On Wisconsin! GO SYRACUSE!

 

[Full_Rebar]

2010 we went 3-2 in OOC and 4-3 in the Big East. 7-5
2011 we went 4-1 in the OOC and 1-6 in the Big East. 5-7
2012 we went 2-3 in the OOC and 5-2 in the Big East w/o WVU. 7-5

Sorry but the BE schedule was so weak we had to play tougher teams now the 2012 schedule was stupid but that was on Gross/Frasier for not getting the job done. Our program is not pathetic because of the OOC schedule it has been pathetic because Greg Robinson cratered the program and DM brought us back to the end of the Coach P era.

Our facilities were pathetic and that hurt recruiting. Putting our programs struggles on the OOC scheduling is weak excuse. We were mediocre until last year.

Not putting all the struggles on scheduling, but this hasn't helped the program build the type of positive momentum that we all want to see

 

[Alsacs]

Not putting all the struggles on scheduling, but this hasn't helped the program build the type of positive momentum that we all want to see

Since we joined the ACC in the last 2 years we have only played 1 road game against a P5 team. A vast majority of those games were from the BE era when were only playing 7 conference and scheduling that 5th OOC made a huge difference. Our biggest problem has been talent not the schedule.

The new post from TNIAAM is almost like it responding to every point I made in this thread.

 

[OttoMets]

Not putting all the struggles on scheduling, but this hasn't helped the program build the type of positive momentum that we all want to see

I think that's a badge of honor. Not everyone will agree, but playing real football teams strikes me at the right way to go about things.

Now we need to make the leap from underachieving against the Penn States and SCs to actually beating them.

 

[Millhouse]

I get it Scooch. 5 years from now, who has the better chance of being an elite program Illinois or Wisconsin? We don't have to schedule total crap to increase the odds of winning. We have to schedule smarter.

i don't mean this snarky. have you ever gone to a big time road factory september game? they are so great that you quickly forget about scheduling smarter - you have an amazing time and great memories.

 

[OrangePA]

1. Will definitely be attending the game in Wisky, for no other reason than to participate in "jump around". That's focking awesome.

2. Love this home and home. Need to keep scheduling one good OOC foe per year AT the Dome.

3. 34-0

Bring that friggin uniform back!

 

[Frozen]

Need to keep scheduling one good OOC foe per year AT the Dome.

I don't know about that. Syracuse is going to be bad for the next five, ten, fifteen years. Let's not schedule a P5 opponent until 2025 at the earliest.

 

[Millhouse]

I don't know about that. Syracuse is going to be bad for the next five, ten, fifteen years. Let's not schedule a P5 opponent until 2025 at the earliest.

i didn't realize that temery is now supporting telegrams. amazing!

 

[orange79]

i didn't realize that temery is now supporting telegrams. amazing!

Technically, it's a Telex. But I won't quibble.

 

[Eric15]

Some of you guys put way too much stock into how much recruits care about going to a school that played in the Belk Bowl as opposed to not going to a bowl at all. Yes, I know the extra practices are nice, but you know what else sells recruits? A packed Carrier Dome and opportunities to play in games that get national attention. The regular season in college football matters, unlike most other sports. Whatever recruits we're targeting for next year, bring them to the Dome for LSU and let them experience first-hand how intense that place can be (as opposed to it being a morgue for an FCS game).

 

[Eric15]

Not putting all the struggles on scheduling, but this hasn't helped the program build the type of positive momentum that we all want to see

I'm proud of that. I never want to be a program that gets a reputation for scheduling soft like Rutgers or Kansas State in the 90s.

 

[Eric15]

And Marrone thought the OOC schedule was stupid. How much faster would the program turn the corner if those Marrone teams won 9 or 10 games in 2010 and 2012, and made it to a bowl in 2011? If you think that wouldn't have made much of a difference, then this is where we just agree to disagree.

In 2010, we played Akron, Colgate and Maine out of conference in addition to very average Washington and BC teams. Are you saying that schedule was too difficult?

 

[Chip]

i don't mean this snarky. have you ever gone to a big time road factory september game? they are so great that you quickly forget about scheduling smarter - you have an amazing time and great memories.

Except you don't remember the Friday night at Auburn.

God bless the southeast in the fall. It's just incredibly fun.

 

[OrangeDW]

I'll jus contend that we haven't been mediocre-to-awful over the last 15 years mainly because of our OOC schedule. Maybe a year or two it's cost us, but it's not a major driver of our problems.

Unfortunately it did cost us in the one season that we were legitimately good in 2012. USC, Northwestern, Minnesota, and Missouri...2 of them on the road and 1 neutral. We could've been 10-2 if we scheduled smarter.

I like the Wisconsin series...as long as we don't have 2-3 other hard OOC games in the same season.