Devito

[OrangeinDC]

I’m not sure this is the case. He might be giving TD every opportunity so when he fully seat belts him he can say he gave him a chance. Let’s see how next week plays out.

Yeah... But we're losing game in the meantime.

 

[OrangeinDC]

Unfortunately Dino seems to have a one track mind. He made Tommy his QB, when he was recruited, and will live and die with him.

Said something in a previous thread... His stubborn, I'm going to prove everyone wrong at some point mentality in regard to his QB and offense (if you call it that) will be his downfall.

Somebody please tell me what is our "o-ffensive, oops I mean Of-fensive... offense is??

 

[AAM62]

Each drive for Schrader improved. Basically every drive for Devito did not. He had that flukey TD drive.

Except shrader blew a layup td to queeley. His throwing motion is bad but anything will be better than Devito at this point.

 

[orangezen]

I was watching Devito on last few drives looking right holding ball and NEVER looking to his left .. you need to watch the whole field ..

 

[MikeSU02]

At this point we all know what we’re getting with Tommy.

He’s been given a very long leash for a P5 QB. Some of that was hoping he puts it all together. Some of it was lack of other options. Some of it seems that Dino hitched his wagon to him.

I noted this last week, but Dino kept him in against Ohio playing not to lose. But it kept GS from getting legit game time. He was so laser focused on winning the game he wasn’t working on winning the season.

I get it, he’s on the hot seat. Every game is high stakes at this point. But he needs to make the switch. GS needs to start.

 

[Cuseregular]

At this point we all know what we’re getting with Tommy.

He’s been given a very long leash for a P5 QB. Some of that was hoping he puts it all together. Some of it was lack of other options. Some of it seems that Dino hitched his wagon to him.

I noted this last week, but Dino kept him in against Ohio playing not to lose. But it kept GS from getting legit game time. He was so laser focused on winning the game he wasn’t working on winning the season.

I get it, he’s on the hot seat. Every game is high stakes at this point. But he needs to make the switch. GS needs to start.

Exactly man that’s what I said on the ride Home last week, the guy only had his eye on the short game at Ohio and not the long game. Exactly right.

 

[Rautins07]

I’m pretty confident that if it was going to happen, it would’ve happened by now.

I think going with Schrader next week is a must.

Agree, Schrader takes EVERY snap next week! Then move forward with him at the helm

 

[RoatanCuse]

As someone who played D1 for the team we play next week Devito’s indecision and inability to go through his progressions is a major issue. He stares down the wideout and when they are covered he never goes through progressions or hits his outlet

For me, his ceiling is known and this is it. Nobody knows what Schrader ceiling is. Why not start him against Albany (who we better beat) and see how his composure is. There is no way Devito should start another game

Larry, thanks for being part of SU’s history. It was so good, as a student, watching you and Floyd demolish the competition. Thank you!

 

[richard levy]

“The backup quarterback is the most popular guy on the team”, Archie Manning, 1982

 

[RoatanCuse]

I’m not sure this is the case. He might be giving TD every opportunity so when he fully seat belts him he can say he gave him a chance. Let’s see how next week plays out.

TD WOULD excel vs. the likes of Albany. But not against bigger and better teams with a solid pass rush and pass coverage. He has proven that. Time to move on……

 

[Trueblue25]

Do you know what a binary star is?

Thats fair. I just put the main blame on A, who’s making over 3 mil a year to do what has amounted to nothing.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

Preseason, everyone was saying that the QB room was the deepest in memory. Well, deep as in what? Styrofoam packing pellets? The truth is that we have seen little to no depth at all so far, just guys with numbers on their backs.

Tommy has had the same shortcomings for his entire career. It has been said by some that he picked the wrong school and should have gone someplace where he was surrounded by great players. OK, for starters there isn't a QB alive that wouldn't benefit by being surrounded by great players. Those places exist but they already have better QB's than Devito.

Tommy is a role player. He needs those around him to be really good in order for him to be really good. He is not going to carry the team on his back, he is not going to be a magician with the ball. And certainly role players can be fine; we won 10 games with RJ Anderson at the helm because we had a defense full of guys named Dwight Freeney and RJ was very efficient when given the ball in the opponent's side of the field. Tommy doesn't seem to be that kind of role player.

This team is reminiscent of that Freeney/RJ 10-win season in terms of the defense. It is less-so in terms of the offense, or at least the offense's capability to hold up their end of the bargain.

I don't know what the answer is. In a perfect world Dino would be developing the next generation at QB. This is not a perfect world because his hope of being here next year is dwindling faster than the home attendance for this year will be. He said that separation had been happening between the top QB's and everyone else. Then there was separation between the top 2. And this is what we have to show for it? This is the "deep QB room?" Perhaps the "room" is really a broom closet and it only appears full because everyone is stuffed into it and taking up space.

 

[AZOrange]

Preseason, everyone was saying that the QB room was the deepest in memory. Well, deep as in what? Styrofoam packing pellets? The truth is that we have seen little to no depth at all so far, just guys with numbers on their backs.

Tommy has had the same shortcomings for his entire career. It has been said by some that he picked the wrong school and should have gone someplace where he was surrounded by great players. OK, for starters there isn't a QB alive that wouldn't benefit by being surrounded by great players. Those places exist but they already have better QB's than Devito.

Tommy is a role player. He needs those around him to be really good in order for him to be really good. He is not going to carry the team on his back, he is not going to be a magician with the ball. And certainly role players can be fine; we won 10 games with RJ Anderson at the helm because we had a defense full of guys named Dwight Freeney and RJ was very efficient when given the ball in the opponent's side of the field. Tommy doesn't seem to be that kind of role player.

This team is reminiscent of that Freeney/RJ 10-win season in terms of the defense. It is less-so in terms of the offense, or at least the offense's capability to hold up their end of the bargain.

I don't know what the answer is. In a perfect world Dino would be developing the next generation at QB. This is not a perfect world because his hope of being here next year is dwindling faster than the home attendance for this year will be. He said that separation had been happening between the top QB's and everyone else. Then there was separation between the top 2. And this is what we have to show for it? This is the "deep QB room?" Perhaps the "room" is really a broom closet and it only appears full because everyone is stuffed into it and taking up space.

I look at TDs face during game action and he always stunned like he’s unsure what is going on. He’s a tool guy with a high end skill but he’s not a gamer. If a play breaks down he is lost.

 

[Eric15]

I really don't know what to make of Tommy in Year 4. I honestly thought he had the potential to surprise us and have a rock solid Nassib/2012-esque senior year.

That deep ball he threw to Taj in stride was gorgeous. And there were times yesterday when the offense looked like it was really clicking and moving the chains like 2017-2018.

It always feels like he has a knack for making devastating mistakes in the most critical situations. When we had a chance to score against Clemson in the Dome in 2019 he threw an INT worse than anything Nunes ever did. I remember him throwing a horrific pick at Maryland as well. That fumble yesterday was basically the nail in our coffin.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I look at TDs face during game action and he always stunned like he’s unsure what is going on. He’s a tool guy with a high end skill but he’s not a gamer. If a play breaks down he is lost.

I played organized sports from when I was 8 until year 3 of college, in football, baseball, basketball, cross country and track & field. Not all of those sports are the same, but in all of those sports, there are "gamers" and there are "guys who play". Gamers find ways to win. "Guys who play" fill out the roster, but they are not the guys who make plays when it matters. I'm a short guy, not very big (back then), but I was fast as hell, and even tougher. I was that guy who got punched in the nose and then punched the other guy back. I would elbow my own teammate in order to win a race. Tommy has none of that toughness. He's a freaking crybaby, he panics and unless it's "laboratory conditions", he just isn't very good. Babers sucks as a coach. This season is over right now. So is Babers' tenure. So much promise, and it's back to shtt.

 

[AZOrange]

I played organized sports from when I was 8 until year 3 of college, in football, baseball, basketball, cross country and track & field. Not all of those sports are the same, but in all of those sports, there are "gamers" and there are "guys who play". Gamers find ways to win. "Guys who play" fill out the roster, but they are not the guys who make plays when it matters. I'm a short guy, not very big (back then), but I was fast as hell, and even tougher. I was that guy who got punched in the nose and then punched the other guy back. I would elbow my own teammate in order to win a race. Tommy has none of that toughness. He's a freaking crybaby, he panics and unless it's "laboratory conditions", he just isn't very good. Babers sucks as a coach. This season is over right now. So is Babers' tenure. So much promise, and it's back to shtt.

Sadly….yep

 

[Eric15]

I would elbow my own teammate in order to win a race.

 

[Marroniac]

Henceforth, we should move all the posts about Devito to the Rutgers Dumpster Fire Thread.

 

[IthacaMatt]

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It's the truth. Once in a HS cross country race, I elbowed someone in the chest to keep them from passing me as we headed down the chute at the end of the race. I popped a guy on my own team in an indoor half mile freshman year of college in order to get off a crowded starting line. I am as competitive a person as you will meet.

I learned it from my mother, who was so vicious at card games that she would literally make me cry as a kid. Plus my dad was a Marine sergeant who bought boxing gloves for me when I was barely old enough to walk. He bloodied my nose when I was about 18 months old. So that's where I get it from.

 

[baggerbob]

Preseason, everyone was saying that the QB room was the deepest in memory. Well, deep as in what? Styrofoam packing pellets? The truth is that we have seen little to no depth at all so far, just guys with numbers on their backs.

Tommy has had the same shortcomings for his entire career. It has been said by some that he picked the wrong school and should have gone someplace where he was surrounded by great players. OK, for starters there isn't a QB alive that wouldn't benefit by being surrounded by great players. Those places exist but they already have better QB's than Devito.

Tommy is a role player. He needs those around him to be really good in order for him to be really good. He is not going to carry the team on his back, he is not going to be a magician with the ball. And certainly role players can be fine; we won 10 games with RJ Anderson at the helm because we had a defense full of guys named Dwight Freeney and RJ was very efficient when given the ball in the opponent's side of the field. Tommy doesn't seem to be that kind of role player.

This team is reminiscent of that Freeney/RJ 10-win season in terms of the defense. It is less-so in terms of the offense, or at least the offense's capability to hold up their end of the bargain.

I don't know what the answer is. In a perfect world Dino would be developing the next generation at QB. This is not a perfect world because his hope of being here next year is dwindling faster than the home attendance for this year will be. He said that separation had been happening between the top QB's and everyone else. Then there was separation between the top 2. And this is what we have to show for it? This is the "deep QB room?" Perhaps the "room" is really a broom closet and it only appears full because everyone is stuffed into it and taking up space.

I said before Dino is to stubborn to admit, his chosen QB was a mistake. For all who expect him to bench Tommy, it isn't going to happen.

 

[Eric15]

I learned it from my mother, who was so vicious at card games that she would literally make me cry as a kid.

[Uno game at Matt's house]

Mom: Draw Four!
Matt: Ugh
Mom: Oh no! What's this?! DRAW FOUR AGAIN!
Matt: Ugh
Mom: A THIRD DRAW FOUR!
Matt: [bursts out into tears]

 

[JKinPhilly]

Maybe TD looks confused because he really doesn't know what's supposed to happen and what the game plan (if there is one) really is?? I don't know, but it just seems.like we do random things on offense with no real strategy in mind.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

At this point we all know what we’re getting with Tommy.

He’s been given a very long leash for a P5 QB. Some of that was hoping he puts it all together. Some of it was lack of other options. Some of it seems that Dino hitched his wagon to him.

I noted this last week, but Dino kept him in against Ohio playing not to lose. But it kept GS from getting legit game time. He was so laser focused on winning the game he wasn’t working on winning the season.

I get it, he’s on the hot seat. Every game is high stakes at this point. But he needs to make the switch. GS needs to start.

Here's the thing though... DeVito was moving the ball pretty well before he was taken out.

He played very poorly down the stretch. But it's not impossible to think that if we hadn't given Shrader those three series and just hung with DeVito that we would have moved the ball more.

Maybe we break through for some scores and take control of the game, and the late yips don't become a factor.

Either way, at this point, there's bad juju around DeVito. There just is. Kind of like when we had to look to Paulus to make plays late in games.

 

[IthacaMatt]

[Uno game at Matt's house]

Mom: Draw Four!
Matt: Ugh
Mom: Oh no! What's this?! DRAW FOUR AGAIN!
Matt: Ugh
Mom: A THIRD DRAW FOUR!
Matt: [bursts out into tears]

You ever play Gin Rummy or Canasta (which is like double-deck rummy)?
You would be so close to be able to lay down your cards, and my mother would always beat me to it.
In my defense, I was only about 35 at the time. ;-)

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I really don't know what to make of Tommy in Year 4. I honestly thought he had the potential to surprise us and have a rock solid Nassib/2012-esque senior year.

That deep ball he threw to Taj in stride was gorgeous. And there were times yesterday when the offense looked like it was really clicking and moving the chains like 2017-2018.

It always feels like he has a knack for making devastating mistakes in the most critical situations. When we had a chance to score against Clemson in the Dome in 2019 he threw an INT worse than anything Nunes ever did. I remember him throwing a horrific pick at Maryland as well. That fumble yesterday was basically the nail in our coffin.

His problem is pulling the trigger. His first throw of the game was an example of that. The pass was a nice throw but it got there late. If he throws to a spot then the WR has a chance at YAC as the DB was giving a big cushion. Instead TD waited for the WR to turn before he threw the ball. This allowed the DB to come up and make a tackle immediately after the WR caught it. That shouldn't be happening in year 5.

It seems far too often that TD waits for the WR to be open instead of anticipating it. That bing said he made a great throw in traffic to Taj and in the middle of the field. First time I remember seeing that from him. TD has it in him but he needs to let it fly.