Cusefan78
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You're not giving Marrone enough credit. He is very calculating and I honestly believe his end game was always the nfl.
Only 1 guy can truly turn this around
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javadoc
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Bring Back Dick!
im4cuse
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Are we going to be .500 in the ACC?
Four years too long to wait in today's college football, where new regimes -- with zero tradition -- regularly turn it around in half the time. I think we've seen enough (and think what it will be like with 3 wins heading into BC finale, with maybe 18,000 in the stands).
For me, being out game-planned by Willie Taggert after a bye week was enough. Last two weeks just like shampoo: lather, rinse, repeat. With the inane coach speak at the end. Giving up 19-play drives at end of game back to back doesn't seem too hard nosed to me. But I'm just a hater I guess.
Have to believe that Coyle has seen enough too. I think he has a plan, and it doesn't involve this staff.
Flacusian
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Both notions of bring back Marrone and cutting Shafer loose are deeply flawed. Marrone has walked away from 2 coaching jobs and his level of commitment has to certainly be questioned. Plus, you don't go backwards with the program. If Marrone was the man for the program he would still be here. Clearly he is not.
As for Shafer, surely he doesn't have the same type of shine and produce the type of media bytes that some people would like to see from our HC but you certainly can't question his commitment to the program and his drive to succeed. We all knew that there would be some level of OTJ training for Shafer with respect to being a head coach and we've seen enough positive aspects emerge from the program that people who are being objective cannot deny that he has the program moving in the right direction.
Some of the things that people are frustrated with concerning Shafer can be fixed/ changed. As Shafer continues to develop as a coach the in game decision making should improve. Sure it's frustrating to lose these close games but we played LSU (one of the primer programs in the Nation) in a really tough and competitive manner and yesterday we played the #25 team right down to the wire.
My bet is that next year we win games like that. Shafer may be rough around the edges and do some things which are ostensibly incomprehensible during the games but the guy unquestionably deserves another year from everyone before there is any serious discussion about replacing him.
We all want to win and we all want to win NOW. But program building takes patience and it would be a shame to to abandon the Shafer era on account of having be frustrated for so long with coaching staffs which have failed to turn the program around.
As for Shafer, surely he doesn't have the same type of shine and produce the type of media bytes that some people would like to see from our HC but you certainly can't question his commitment to the program and his drive to succeed. We all knew that there would be some level of OTJ training for Shafer with respect to being a head coach and we've seen enough positive aspects emerge from the program that people who are being objective cannot deny that he has the program moving in the right direction.
Some of the things that people are frustrated with concerning Shafer can be fixed/ changed. As Shafer continues to develop as a coach the in game decision making should improve. Sure it's frustrating to lose these close games but we played LSU (one of the primer programs in the Nation) in a really tough and competitive manner and yesterday we played the #25 team right down to the wire.
My bet is that next year we win games like that. Shafer may be rough around the edges and do some things which are ostensibly incomprehensible during the games but the guy unquestionably deserves another year from everyone before there is any serious discussion about replacing him.
We all want to win and we all want to win NOW. But program building takes patience and it would be a shame to to abandon the Shafer era on account of having be frustrated for so long with coaching staffs which have failed to turn the program around.
SWC75
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I saw nothing Saturday that suggested that what we need to do is pull the program up by the roots and plant something else.
In the late 70's and early 80's it was all about getting the offense and defense good at the same time. We went back and forth with it until we finally made it in 1987. We went 11-0 and had 15 straight winning seasons. Now we are trying to do the same thing. The pieces are there on offense and they are mostly freshmen and sophomores. Before they graduate, Shafer and Bullough will have the defense back up to 2010/2014 levels and then we will have our breakthrough year.
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Saying we had "marginal" talent is being kind. I always felt HCDM stole a game or two every year that we shouldn't have won. Still waiting on that out of this staff. Not saying it can't be done but haven't seen it so far.
The first scenario does not last but we are building toward the second..which does.
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I agree only one guy can turn this around, but I think it's Dungey.
He also threw away a game his 4th year here, the Northwestern game should have ended like yesterdays, with us kicking a Field Goal to win at the end. Instead with a 3rd and 1 on their 20 yard line with 2:44 on the clock, we throw a pass into the end zone for a TD, and end up losing.
Not really. And I give him a lot of creit for what he did. But 25-25 in the big east is just what it is. Plus, he couldn't recruit a lick
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My god this place is amazing. Now, a coach who has gotten 2 NFL head jobs (even though one was pulled under very shady circumstances) and had multiple offers from CFB programs while he was here isn't good enough to coach SU. SMH..
He didn't get offered the Jets job. That is simply not true. There was nothing shady about it. the owner didn't like him.
Shh, don't ruin the narrative.
Various league sources also indicated that the AD at Bama and Robert Kraft both reached out to Marrone, to offer their HC jobs.
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Orangefoo's profound thoughts for the day:
hcdm left the bills and the bills are a worse team without him
hcdm left the orange and the orange are worse team without him
The majority of the fan bases at both of hcdms last two jobs are happy he's gone
Please discuss.
hcdm left the bills and the bills are a worse team without him
hcdm left the orange and the orange are worse team without him
The majority of the fan bases at both of hcdms last two jobs are happy he's gone
Please discuss.
hoopsupstate
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If SU ever hired Maronne or Edsall, my season ticket days are over. They both sold their Alma Mater down the river. Maronne is a lousy recruiter and he was .500 coach in the Big East. I would keep Shafer over both of these guys and it's not even close.
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There's a difference between saying he wasn't as amazing as everyone seems to like thinking he was, and saying he's "not good enough to coach here." It's a pretty big difference, actually. Marrone was 19-24 before his team got red hot over the final seven weeks (one loss to Cincy notwithstanding) in 2012. I appreciate him getting us out of the hole Robinson created, but it's revisionist history to act like he was a savior in his time here.
