Only 1 guy can truly turn this around

[Chip]

Orangefoo's profound thoughts for the day:

hcdm left the bills and the bills are a worse team without him
hcdm left the orange and the orange are worse team without him

The majority of the fan bases at both of hcdms last two jobs are happy he's gone

Please discuss.

The majority of the fanbases at both of his last two jobs are just happy that he demoted himself to an OL coach. Can only abandon jobs for so long before no one wants to hire you.

I wish he never left.

 

[OrangeFoo]

The majority of the fanbases at both of his last two jobs are just happy that he demoted himself to an OL coach. Can only abandon jobs for so long before no one wants to hire you.

I wish he never left.

Eh. There are days when I agree with you but others where I wonder if he had plateaued. He wasn't cut out for the college game and all the bs that goes with it. I think we are better off in the long run with someone who has HCSS's passion for the college game with hcdm's Xs and Os.

 

[N.Y. Orangeman]

He didn't get offered the Jets job. That is simply not true. There was nothing shady about it. the owner didn't like him.

He didn't get offered the Jets job. That is simply not true. There was nothing shady about it. the owner didn't like him.

I stand behind my post.

 

[kcsu]

The only thing that Doug should be allowed to come back to SU for is to apologize for the way he left. The guy is a paranoid control freak. He is not a leader never will be and his one shot. I doubt that he will ever sniff a head coaching job again in his life. Good Ol coach sure. Leader no. Doug has the same personality of Nixon. He is his own worse enemy

 

[dasher]

I stand behind my post.

Well, then you are wrong. Did he turn the job down? No. He wasn't offered the job. Others wanted him for the job but not Woody Johnson

 

[kcsu]

Shh, don't ruin the narrative.

Various league sources also indicated that the AD at Bama and Robert Kraft both reached out to Marrone, to offer their HC jobs.

That is so full of sh it im surprised that it didnt come out of dougs mouth

 

[N.Y. Orangeman]

Well, then you are wrong. Did he turn the job down? No. He wasn't offered the job. Others wanted him for the job but not Woody Johnson

Semantics and you are 100% wrong. If you can answer who in their right mind would walk away from another NFL gig without an offer in hand in order to commit career suicide, we can continue. Until then, I'll pass on your tabloids.

 

[AlaskaSU]

Although our W/L record does not show it, our games have been close. This is a world of improvement over the blowouts that were business as usual. The wins will come as the talent matures and improves and the staff gets in-game experience. Talk about dismissal this year is premature.

 

[GoSU96]

Not really. And I give him a lot of creit for what he did. But 25-25 in the big east is just what it is. Plus, he couldn't recruit a lick

Good lord, get over it. The guy did an excellent job.

Is it that hard to acknowledge he left the program in a much better condition than when he took over.

 

[dan7800]

I wonder what Mookie Jones is up to?

As a Bills fan, I didn't like Doug. It was clear that he did what he thought was best for him, not what was best for the organization/team.

 

[GoSU96]

The only thing that Doug should be allowed to come back to SU for is to apologize for the way he left. The guy is a paranoid control freak. He is not a leader never will be and his one shot. I doubt that he will ever sniff a head coaching job again in his life. Good Ol coach sure. Leader no. Doug has the same personality of Nixon. He is his own worse enemy

Non leaders don't do the job he did in turning around two bad programs with losing cultures.

Did he get in his own way, I'm sure he did.

Doesn't mean he wasn't right about the bad management at both places getting in the way of him doing his job better.

Edit, and if he such a mess and horrible employee, how is it that he's never managed to get fired in a profession where guys get fired all the time.

 

[Jake]

Semantics and you are 100% wrong. If you can answer who in their right mind would walk away from another NFL gig without an offer in hand in order to commit career suicide, we can continue. Until then, I'll pass on your tabloids.

Doug thought he had a job that he actually didn't have. He never got offered the second job. It's not semantics, it's simply the truth, because if he did get offered it, he turned it down to become the OL coach of the Jags.

It's like saying a high school kid has an offer, yet when they try to commit, they're told to wait.

So if you want to say Doug had a non-committable offer from the Jets, we agree.

Also, I'm sure you realize that what makes people not like Doug is that he left two jobs before finishing the job in the fans eyes.

The goal wasn't to get to two Pinstripe goals. 4-8-5-8. Better than the previous 4 years but not a complete rebuild. It also included the collassal collapse in 2011.

Doug did a very god job here, we thought he could be great.

 

[kcsu]

Non leaders don't do the job he did in turning around two bad programs with losing cultures.

He he get in his own way, I'm sure he did.

Doesn't mean he wasn't right about the bad management at both places getting in the way of him doing his job better.

BS there are plenty of non leaders who do well given the low bar. Doug is his own worse enemy. He is thin skinned and paranoid. I think that he did a great job turning SU around, did the right thing taking the bills job but the way he left was beyond poor. His move with the bills was horrible and i doubt that he ever gets another chance at a high level head coaching job either in the NFL or college

 

[Toga]

 

[GoSU96]

BS there are plenty of non leaders who do well given the low bar. Doug is his own worse enemy. He is thin skinned and paranoid. I think that he did a great job turning SU around, did the right thing taking the bills job but the way he left was beyond poor. His move with the bills was horrible and i doubt that he ever gets another chance at a high level head coaching job either in the NFL or college

And none of that has to do with the job he did at either place or his leadership ability in those positions.

Unless you know the internal politics in the Bills front office how can you say what he did was horrible?

It's pretty obvious Whaley and the old guard didn't like him pushing back and he wanted more control and if he didn't get it people were gunning for him.

Are you saying that he was wrong wanting more support and resources at SU given the disaster he was handed andhe should have just bit his tongue when commitments on resources and investments in winning that were made weren't happening? The only bad leader in what happened at SU was Gross.

He's a control freak, so the ' what? You need to be to get the jobs done that he was handed.

Here is what Harbaugh, Briles, Marrone, and Cutcliffe stepped into and how they did. The 4 year average is that level of performance of each program before they were each hired. The guy deserves a lot more respect for the job he did here than he gets.

 

[qdawgg]

We'd kill for 8 wins... maybe even 5

 

[AZOrange]

Semantics and you are 100% wrong. If you can answer who in their right mind would walk away from another NFL gig without an offer in hand in order to commit career suicide, we can continue. Until then, I'll pass on your tabloids.

Doug took a gamble. Granted he got 4 million chips prior to making his bet. But he lost the bet (but kept the chips).

 

[N.Y. Orangeman]

Doug thought he had a job that he actually didn't have. He never got offered the second job. It's not semantics, it's simply the truth, because if he did get offered it, he turned it down to become the OL coach of the Jags.

It's like saying a high school kid has an offer, yet when they try to commit, they're told to wait.

So if you want to say Doug had a non-committable offer from the Jets, we agree.

Also, I'm sure you realize that what makes people not like Doug is that he left two jobs before finishing the job in the fans eyes.

The goal wasn't to get to two Pinstripe goals. 4-8-5-8. Better than the previous 4 years but not a complete rebuild. It also included the collassal collapse in 2011.

Doug did a very god job here, we thought he could be great.

Respectfully disagree with the the first paragraph and agree with much of what you say.

 

[AZOrange]

The chance of Marrone coming back here with a new AD and Chancellor are ZERO. There are way too many up and comers to waste our time with a has been.

 

[kcsu]

And none of that has to do with the job he did at either place or his leadership ability in those positions.

Unless you know the internal politics in the Bills front office how can you say what he did was horrible?

It's pretty obvious Whaley and the old guard didn't like him pushing back and he wanted more control and if he didn't get it people were gunning for him.

Are you saying that he was wrong wanting more support and resources at SU given the disaster he was handed andhe should have just bit his tongue when commitments on resources and investments in winning that were made weren't happening? The only bad leader in what happened at SU was Gross.

He's a control freak, so the ' what? You need to be to get the jobs done that he was handed.

Here is what Harbaugh, Briles, Marrone, and Cutcliffe stepped into and how they did. The 4 year average is that level of performance of each program before they were each hired. The guy deserves a lot more respect for the job he did here than he gets.

So he treaded water and sucked for 4 years living off Shafs D got lucky with a NFL QB good OL and stud RB and a pair of seasoned WR and dumped us for the nfl. One year wonder

 

[GoSU96]

Doug took a gamble. Granted he got 4 million chips prior to making his bet. But he lost the bet (but kept the chips).

And we don't know what was going on inside the Bills front office that pushed him in that direction.

 

[GoSU96]

So he treaded water and sucked for 4 years living off Shafs D got lucky with a NFL QB good OL and stud RB and a pair of seasoned WR and dumped us for the nfl. One year wonder

If he was living off of "Shaf's defense" why is Shafer losing so much now?

So let me see if I have this straight,

He inherits at 10-37 program with the worst combined offense and defense in D-1 (well maybe better than Duke), leaves after going 25-25, "sucked" for 4 years, leaves the program in the hands of the guy he lived off of, and that guy then proceeds to go 13-19 with the prospect of that 19 growing faster than the 13.

What's up with that?

So he had nothing do with it, just along for the ride in a turn around almost as good (maybe Luck and RGIII might have something to do with a couple of extra wins in year four) as Stanford and Baylor, and he did such a good job of hanging around that three or four NFL teams actually compete for his services.

That's quite a level of living off of and suckage.

 

[kcsu]

If he was living off of "Shaf's defense" why is Shafer losing so much now?

until you look in the mirror

 

[Delmar]

hate to say it, but it's Doug.

Bold post.

I would agree to this with one proviso. We put it in the contract that we can fire him at any time, and if we do he has to pay us 4 million dollars.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Bring Back Dick!