Only 1 guy can truly turn this around

[tep624]

I liked Doug when he was here... even rooted for him in Buffalo. However, he can't come back. He left his "dream job" and can't be invited back. No.

Good grief, is the man going to have this "dream job" stuff held over his head until the end of time? Some of you guys really need to grow the hell up.

 

[AZOrange]

And we don't know what was going on inside the Bills front office that pushed him in that direction.

I mean I think everyone has a pretty good idea what was going on. New owners, no guarantee on new contract and a 4 mil freebie.

 

[sdhall01]

I promise you Shafer is the man for this job.

The truth will prevail in 2016.

I thought the truth was supposed to prevail this year. I don't care if we give him another year, but can we just pick a damn year already?

 

[rocklloyd]

I wonder what Mookie Jones is up to?.

Rippin threes and smokin trees (in his mind)

 

[CusefanATL]

I thought the truth was supposed to prevail this year. I don't care if we give him another year, but can we just pick a damn year already?

No one thought we would be good this year. The talent level, especially by the freshmen is light years ahead of where we thought it could possibly be.

 

[xc84]

Good grief, is the man going to have this "dream job" stuff held over his head until the end of time? Some of you guys really need to grow the hell up.

Nope. It's just business. He left his dream job after only 4 years. He really didn't leave on good terms. Just bad policy to let him back. I like Doug and hope he does well in Jax and becomes a head coach again.

 

[TheCusian]

My god this place is amazing. Now, a coach who has gotten 2 NFL head jobs (even though one was pulled under very shady circumstances) and had multiple offers from CFB programs while he was here isn't good enough to coach SU. SMH..

He's good enough to coach here, just burned too many bridges.

 

[Macky44]

hate to say it, but it's Doug.

hahahahahahahahahahahah

 

[TheCusian]

If he was living off of "Shaf's defense" why is Shafer losing so much now? So let me see if I have this straight, He inherits at 10-37 program with the worst combined offense and defense in D-1 (well maybe better than Duke), leaves after going 25-25, "sucked" for 4 years, leaves the program in the hands of the guy he lived off of, and that guy then proceeds to go 13-19 with the prospect of that 19 growing faster than the 13. What's up with that? So he had nothing do with it, just along for the ride in a turn around almost as good (maybe Luck and RGIII might have something to do with a couple of extra wins in year four) as Stanford and Baylor, and he did such a good job of hanging around that three or four NFL teams actually compete for his services. That's quite a level of living off of and suckage.

The defense has been the only constant over that time. That and offensive mediocrity.

 

[dasher]

Good lord, get over it. The guy did an excellent job.

Is it that hard to acknowledge he left the program in a much better condition than when he took over.

Not talent wise. He inherited better players than he left us with He could coach and g-rob couldn't. I don't think it is even up for debate.

 

[dasher]

Semantics and you are 100% wrong. If you can answer who in their right mind would walk away from another NFL gig without an offer in hand in order to commit career suicide, we can continue. Until then, I'll pass on your tabloids.

Someone who had a 4 million dollar buyout and a agent that thought he had the jets job. I have no doubt that Marrone thought he had the job. He never did. He was never offered the job and after the owner met with him, that was it.

 

[GoSU96]

Not talent wise. He inherited better players than he left us with He could coach and g-rob couldn't. I don't think it is even up for debate.

A roster is 1-85, and 1-85 it was multiples better than when arrived.

That's not up for debate.

And he did that starting from scratch, no recruiting pipeline, no facilities upgrades, and no commitment from the school matching the commitment and career risk he took coming here.

 

[TheCusian]

A roster is 1-85, and 1-85 it was multiples better than when arrived.

That's not up for debate.

And he did that starting from scratch, no recruiting pipeline, no facilities upgrades, and no commitment from the school matching the commitment and career risk he took coming here.

I agree with you on this point 100%.

But what recruiting pipeline did he leave Shafer with? Honest question.

 

[kcsu]

If he was living off of "Shaf's defense" why is Shafer losing so much now?

So let me see if I have this straight,

He inherits at 10-37 program with the worst combined offense and defense in D-1 (well maybe better than Duke), leaves after going 25-25, "sucked" for 4 years, leaves the program in the hands of the guy he lived off of, and that guy then proceeds to go 13-19 with the prospect of that 19 growing faster than the 13.

What's up with that?

So he had nothing do with it, just along for the ride in a turn around almost as good (maybe Luck and RGIII might have something to do with a couple of extra wins in year four) as Stanford and Baylor, and he did such a good job of hanging around that three or four NFL teams actually compete for his services.

That's quite a level of living off of and suckage.

Go i love most of your post and i know that you bleed orange. My point on the your chart was that for 4 years Doug was 94 97 90 which was pretty poor. I truly believe that during the first 4 years Shafers D carried him. Anyone who met and spent time with Doug would tell you that he was thin skinned . I think that he did a good job turning the program around and i give him a ton of credit for that. I dont think that he could recruit very well and the way he left the program wasnt professional.

 

[dasher]

A roster is 1-85, and 1-85 it was multiples better than when arrived.

That's not up for debate.

And he did that starting from scratch, no recruiting pipeline, no facilities upgrades, and no commitment from the school matching the commitment and career risk he took coming here.

We didn't have a guy that was even drafted last year. We probably won't have even one guy drafted this year. Two years without even a draft pick? That is terrible. He left us without a qb. Without a running back that he recruited that can play at this level. What wide out did he bring in that was top level? Doug can coach a team and coach kids up. But he has to do it with other guys players. He was a failure by any measure as a recruiter. His teams were very well prepared and he got the most out of them. But the cup board was worse than dry when he left.

 

[sdhall01]

No one thought we would be good this year. The talent level, especially by the freshmen is light years ahead of where we thought it could possibly be.

Really? I remember people saying 6-6 or bust.

 

[sdhall01]

Not talent wise. He inherited better players than he left us with He could coach and g-rob couldn't. I don't think it is even up for debate.

You can't honestly believe that. Also, HCSS was the DC! Those were, and these are, his defensive players!

 

[TheCusian]

You can't honestly believe that. Also, HCSS was the DC! Those were, and these are, his defensive players!

And he maintained the defense for the last 2 seasons.

 

[CusefanATL]

Really? I remember people saying 6-6 or bust.

6-6 isnt "the truth will prevail"

 

[sdhall01]

6-6 isnt "the truth will prevail"

I mean, it kinda is for us at this point. It sucks, but I would kill to go 6-6 this season. It would at least have been a step in the right direction.

 

[dasher]

You can't honestly believe that. Also, HCSS was the DC! Those were, and these are, his defensive players!

Do I really need to go back and look at the guys that g-rob brought in that went pro? Come on. G-rob couldn't coach. Marrone could. But he was a horrible recruiter. What qb did Marrone leave us with? How about running backs? How many Marrone guys are starting right now? He has been gone 3 years. The starters should be all marrone's guy's. They aren't.

 

[sdhall01]

Do I really need to go back and look at the guys that g-rob brought in that went pro? Come on. G-rob couldn't coach. Marrone could. But he was a horrible recruiter. What qb did Marrone leave us with? How about running backs? How many Marrone guys are starting right now? He has been gone 3 years. The starters should be all marrone's guy's. They aren't.

Again, on defense you can absolutely blame HCSS because he recruited those players. As for QB, he left Hunt, and Hunt was fine so long as he wasn't getting hurt. Finally, don't blame HCDM for HCSS's inability to coach players! Doug Marrone took a bunch of two star recruits and turned them into NFL players. HCSS can't do a damn thing with them, and I am beginning to think it's his fault not HCDM's.

 

[CusefanATL]

Do I really need to go back and look at the guys that g-rob brought in that went pro? Come on. G-rob couldn't coach. Marrone could. But he was a horrible recruiter. What qb did Marrone leave us with? How about running backs? How many Marrone guys are starting right now? He has been gone 3 years. The starters should be all marrone's guy's. They aren't.

yep agree

 

[dasher]

Again, on defense you can absolutely blame HCSS because he recruited those players. As for QB, he left Hunt, and Hunt was fine so long as he wasn't getting hurt. Finally, don't blame HCDM for HCSS's inability to coach players! Doug Marrone took a bunch of two star recruits and turned them into NFL players. HCSS can't do a damn thing with them, and I am beginning to think it's his fault not HCDM's.

Nonsense. Hunt is not fine. He was a very poor passer. Close to terrible. He threw one pass this year and it was picked off. How about his running backs. You like Mc and Morris? How about his wide outs? There aren't any.

 

[Ringostar57]

Nonsense. Hunt is not fine. He was a very poor passer. Close to terrible. He threw one pass this year and it was picked off. How about his running backs. You like Mc and Morris? How about his wide outs? There aren't any.

If they all graduate this year, they may not be back next year. I smell a big attrition year for Juniors and Seniors with eligibility who graduate. Maybe as many as six to eight.