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Class of 2017 PG Howard Washington (NY) Decommitted from Butler

Discussion in 'Basketball Recruiting Forum' started by AWMKY, Sep 29, 2013.

  1. RF2044

    RF2044 Living Legend

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    So, three available for next season as things stand today.

    We don't know whether Lydon / Battle will go pro, which could open 1 or 2 more.

    And right now, Howard's and to a lesser extent Chukwu's status for next year is uncertain.

    Which means that we could have as few as 5 openings, and as many as 7, 8, or 9 if everything works out unfavorably.

    Thus far, we've only filled 2 of those slots. Going to be a hectic posteason and offseason.
     
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  2. TheCusian

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    Again
     
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  3. GooseMutt

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    A bird in the hand! He wants to be here(dream school). He's improving. He may stay 4. Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot again like Quade fiasco. Ayala was impressed first time on campus for Louisville game but I don't know that we can continue to gamble. P.S Hope you're doing ok CTO!
     
  4. tbonezone

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    marrone forever soured me on the whole "dream school " pitch .
     
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  5. GooseMutt

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    And maybe Kaleb Joseph a bit.
     
  6. Brooky03

    Brooky03 Master Debater. Don't get offended.

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    Yeah, I don't get the hold up. We have no PG's on the roster for next season. Even if FH comes back, he's more of a SG than PG. There's no way extending an offer to Washington should hurt us with any of the other PGs we're going after. If it does, I don't want them.
     
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  7. RF2044

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    This has been talked about on the hoops recruiting board. It seems like there are three open scholarships right now, not accounting for any that might open up if Lydon / Battle go pro, or Howard departs.

    They probably want to keep 1, possibly 2, open for 5th year transfers. And they probably prioritize Ayala and Duarte over Washington, so we aren't going to offer him first.

    If Lydon leaves, and we have 4 slots to fill instead of 3, that gives us an extra scholie to play with, and I think Washington gets an offer.

    I'd expect the class to fill out with 2 out of Ayala, Duarte, and Washington, and 1 or 2 5th year transfers.
     
  8. hungrychuck

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    If FH is a SG, unfortunately he's a SG who can't S.
     
  9. Alsacs

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    As long as Howard doesn't commit anywhere else we can wait.
    We need this kid though just for depth.
    We are losing more than Robey/White/Gillon.
    We have 2 commits now and 3 open spots with 11 scholarships to give out.
     
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  10. Ajflood12

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    I am not up to date on the Howard leaving talk. Is there actual potential of this happening? During Louisville game I thought the announcer said something about JB telling him Howard will be fine and is just a sophomore.
     
  11. Brooky03

    Brooky03 Master Debater. Don't get offended.

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    Howard's shown a capable 3pt stroke this year. He just can't finish in the lane. He's more of a shooter than Pace was and Pace was definitely not a PG.
     
  12. Fly Rodder

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    Eh, who really knows. I 'm not going to be surprised either way. My only concern is that Syracuse needs to add talent.
     
  13. HoustonCuse

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    Couple things:
    1. The staff has had a few misses at PG lately (KJ and so far FH) so I think they are being extra careful to not just get a guy for the sake of getting a guy. People were very harsh on their management of this cycle for the all-eggs issue, but making panic offers would be just as bad and they have avoided that to their credit.

    2. I have only seen one of his videos - the most recent one - he looks no where near 6'3" to me. It is possible that they are again ginchy about shorter guards after seeing Gillon have some size related trouble on defense.

    3. Donna's article said he has been at SU a lot including elite camps. That means our coaches have an excellent evaluation of him. They clearly didn't see him as a Syracuse caliber guard in the past since they didn't offer before. His recent stats and Francis' recent evaluations make it appear like he has improved quite a bit, but the staff is not just going off limited data or guesses when they make the risk trade of offering him. So I think patience is the right approach for us fans here. It isn't just inattention on their part that has held back the offer.
     
  14. two3zone

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    Regardless of how many open spots we have we legitimately have only 2 guards on next years roster, and that's if Howard and Battle are both back.
     
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    Not really. He started out fine but then was an abysmal 1-18 over a long stretch, before his recent stretch of 3-6. I can't call that "capable."
     
  17. iommi

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    I get your points but getting Washington wouldn't preclude us from getting other point guards.

    However, now with Frank starting to look like he will be back, maybe the staff is concerned that having two point guards on the roster might scare away some lead guards.

    (My other issue is I just want another commitment! Beyond impatient!)
     
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  18. longtimefan

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    Maybe part of the concern is that all of the ???? for next season--Lydon, Battle, Howard--do come back. Three open slots leaves a lot less flexibility than 4 or 5, obviously.
     
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  19. SoBeCuse

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    Who is Howard going to scare off if he stays? Bring in some guards and open audition in the fall for PG.
     
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  20. iommi

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    As I type this, I'd be shocked if Battle is not back. Howard is starting to look like he will be back. I wouldn't have typed this 3-4 weeks ago. I'd still be shocked if Lydon is back. I agree that maybe the staff needs some clarity about out roster but our PG situation is not cloudy. We have a maximum of one guy coming back. Washington would be a program guy. Couldn't we get him and either Ayala or Duarte? Those guys are combos. We only have one pure 2 coming back in Battle. I like Ayala and Duarte but if we wind up with both of them, then I guess we'd go for a 5th year PG and then shoot for an '18 stud PG.
     
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