Uconn to the B12 NOT looking likely

[longtimefan]

Know what’s a bigger deal? Players getting revenue share. This happens with the big 12 not the big east. There is a scenario where schools player budget is higher than the big east’s annual media deal. The big east is important, and was even more so when Jackson was being recruited, but rev share and NIL are way more important.

The BE is behind, but they have the potential to close the gap. As SU fans know, St John's got the #1 guy in the portal in the off season. GTown, Nova, and Creighton all have potentially large NIL pools.

 

[Hoo's That]

SMU had the money to buy a spot. UConn did not

Plus SMU is located in a totally new market, which brings in far more ACCN revenue, SMU brings access to a fertile recruiting area and they have a solid football program.

UConn has none of that and the reality is that they weren’t even considered.

I enjoyed games against UConn. In a perfect world, BC would be out of the ACC and UConn would be in. And UConn would have a respectable football program.

But the world is not perfect.

If we ever end up in the same league as them, it is because we have dropped down.

I am not that excited about that happening.

SMU was semi-decent in the AAC. They will improve in football and b-ball now that they're in a P-4 conference. If anything, the automatic advantage TCU had over them of being in a better conference is now gone. If the announcement of the move to the ACC happened sooner, I don't think they'd lose Sonny Dykes to TCU in FB.

 

[Hoo's That]

Yeah I don’t think people realize SMU have the Dallas market for themselves more or less. Couple that with some of the best and deepest nil trunks and donors in the game and boom.

As a poster said on their board commenting about an article, "the statement that 'SMU has a billionaire sugar daddy. . . ' is not entirely accurate. In fact, SMU has several billionaire sugar daddies."

 

[Cusefan95]

They won two titles in a row with a coach that turned the Lakers down. He picks who he wants to play there.

The Lakers are an organization which is letting a past-his-prime superstar play GM - which is going poorly for them. It’s not a job with a top organization anymore - it’s a career killer job nobody with any other options would take.

“He turned down the Lakers job” doesn’t show what a great and desirable coach he is - it just shows he’s not a complete idiot.

 

[two3zone]

The Lakers are an organization which is letting a past-his-prime superstar play GM - which is going poorly for them. It’s not a job with a top organization anymore - it’s a career killer job nobody with any other options would take.

“He turned down the Lakers job” does t show what a great and desirable coach he is - it just shows he’s not a complete idiot.

It got huge headlines for weeks right after he cut his second net down in a row.

"Stock market hits record high, here is why that is bad for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris"

Hurley chooses who plays at UConn, it's not the other way around.

 

[Cusefan95]

It got huge headlines for weeks right after he cut his second net down in a row.

"Stock market hits record high, here is why that is bad for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris"

Hurley chooses who plays at UConn, it's not the other way around.

Since football is driving conference play more, it really shows on the football side - but there’s plenty of teams that were going to be great in a new conference (Penn State, Nebraska, Miami, VT, etc) that have never reached the level of success that was expected.

Syracuse was expected to be a lot better in basketball than what the ACC has seen as well - so we’ve literally lived through the underperformance that has often unexpectedly accompanied a conference change. Thinking that UConn going to the Big 12 doesn’t have at least some fair amount of risk that basketball recruiting will drop off is insanity. Syracuse fans are often characterized by a wild pessimism that goes far beyond what is justified - the concern over UConn to the Big 12 is an excellent example of that.

 

[two3zone]

Since football is driving conference play more, it really shows on the football side - but there’s plenty of teams that were going to be great in a new conference (Penn State, Nebraska, Miami, VT, etc) that have never reached the level of success that was expected.

Syracuse was expected to be a lot better in basketball than what the ACC has seen as well - so we’ve literally lived through the underperformance that has often unexpectedly accompanied a conference change. Thinking that UConn going to the Big 12 doesn’t have at least some fair amount of risk that basketball recruiting will drop off is insanity. Syracuse fans are often characterized by a wild pessimism that goes far beyond what is justified - the concern over UConn to the Big 12 is an excellent example of that.

You think Uconns situation is the same as ours? You realize the programs aren't comparable right?

 

[Cusefan95]

You think Uconns situation is the same as ours? You realize the programs aren't comparable right?

You realize I brought up other programs who didn’t see success when they switched conferences? So it should have been clear I wasn’t making a direct comparison of Syracuse to UConn - it’s baffling to me why you would conclude that.

I’ll bet that if UConn goes to the Big 12, they won’t see the same level of success. I’m almost guaranteed to be correct, because the level of success they’d need to see is nearly impossible to sustain - and ANY change in the program risks a drop off in success. And a conference change is a lot bigger change than Troy Weaver moving on to bigger pastures.

I’ll also bet that when the music stops and the major programs have spun off into whatever super league we’re headed toward - UConn won’t be one of them. So in the end, “UConn to the Big 12” is all sound and fury, signifying nothing.

 

[BillSU]

You realize I brought up other programs who didn’t see success when they switched conferences? So it should have been clear I wasn’t making a direct comparison of Syracuse to UConn - it’s baffling to me why you would conclude that.

I’ll bet that if UConn goes to the Big 12, they won’t see the same level of success. I’m almost guaranteed to be correct, because the level of success they’d need to see is nearly impossible to sustain - and ANY change in the program risks a drop off in success. And a conference change is a lot bigger change than Troy Weaver moving on to bigger pastures.

I’ll also bet that when the music stops and the major programs have spun off into whatever super league we’re headed toward - UConn won’t be one of them. So in the end, “UConn to the Big 12” is all sound and fury, signifying nothing.

There will be many other teams that will be risking their success after this coming season:

All members of the Pac-12 are scheduled to join other conferences after the 2023–24 season. Oregon, UCLA, USC and Washington will leave for the Big Ten Conference: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, and Utah will join the Big 12 conference California and Stanford will join the Atlantic Coast Conference, and Oregon State and Washington State will join the West Coast Conference

As of 2023, Pac-12 schools have won 15 Division 1 national titles. This was tied with the Atlantic Coast Conference for the most of any conference. Oregon won the first NCAA Tournament in 1939. UCLA has won 11 national titles, the most of any Division I team. Arizona has won the most recent national title, winning in 1997. Stanford in 1942, Utah in 1944 and California in 1959 are the other NCAA champions.

It will be interesting to watch what happens. The Conference:

2024–25 Big 12 men's basketball standings

Team	W		L		PCT			W		L		PCT
Conf			Overall
Arizona	0	–	0		–			0	–	0		–
Arizona State	0	–	0		–			0	–	0		–
Baylor	0	–	0		–			0	–	0		–
BYU	0	–	0		–			0	–	0		–
Cincinnati	0	–	0		–			0	–	0		–
Colorado	0	–	0		–			0	–	0		–
Houston	0	–	0		–			0	–	0		–
Iowa State	0	–	0		–			0	–	0		–
Kansas	0	–	0		–			0	–	0		–
Kansas State	0	–	0		–			0	–	0		–
Oklahoma State	0	–	0		–			0	–	0		–
TCU	0	–	0		–			0	–	0		–
Texas Tech	0	–	0		–			0	–	0		–
UCF	0	–	0		–			0	–	0		–
Utah	0	–	0		–			0	–	0		–
West Virginia	0	–	0		–			0	–	0		–

 

[tipphill]

Lot's of smoke out there and comments from B12 coaches about the Bball program. Will be fascinating to see how this works out if it actually happens.

Great move for them

 

[Orangezoo]

You think Uconns situation is the same as ours? You realize the programs aren't comparable right?

One thing about UConn is they don’t have the luxury of falling off from this high. Both from position of Hurley saying adios and the fact their football program is trash. All those titles aren’t funding their AD that’s struggling to stay afloat. In the long run they end up basketball only which will only continue to reduce the financial gains and ultimately hurts hoops some too. So yeah their program quality is at a totally different situation vs ours but their financial situation given the issues with football isn’t pretty. No idea why B12 would take them but it would be a massive lifeline for them. At least in the interim.

 

[jdubs30]

The Lakers are an organization which is letting a past-his-prime superstar play GM - which is going poorly for them. It’s not a job with a top organization anymore - it’s a career killer job nobody with any other options would take.

“He turned down the Lakers job” doesn’t show what a great and desirable coach he is - it just shows he’s not a complete idiot.

dude theres a reason why the Lakers only went after one college coach …..

 

[sutomcat]

UConn is truly a fascinating case study as an AD with the success they have had all while operating with Enron's balance sheet.

Part of the driver here has to be the $22 million schools can pay for NIL.

Too hoops programs are expected to spend about $7 million for NIL for hoops alone.

That would eat up all the tv revenue UConn gets.

As noted, they Ate already losing $53 million a year. It is likely going to go to $60 million.

How can they stay competitive in hoops unless they spend this money? Where will it come from?

If UConn can’t join football until 2031, that tells me they would not get a full revenue cut until at least then. Playing all sports except hoops, they would surely get. Partial payouts?

How much?

I believe ND gets 20%. I believe the B12 pays out about $32 million per year for full members. If UConn gets the ND cut, they would get 20% of $32 million, which is right about the &7 million they get now.

But they would have to pay the $30 million BE buyout too.

I don’t get how this sense sense for UConn. Maybe the tv networks have agreed to pay UConn directly and bump the pay over what ND gets to make this happen?

Would guess they need to get at least $15 million a year for this to make sense. Remember, they would have to spend a lot more in travel costs playing a B12 schedule.

 

[texascpa]

Part of the driver here has to be the $22 million schools can pay for NIL.

Too hoops programs are expected to spend about $7 million for NIL for hoops alone.

That would eat up all the tv revenue UConn gets.

As noted, they Ate already losing $53 million a year. It is likely going to go to $60 million.

How can they stay competitive in hoops unless they spend this money? Where will it come from?

If UConn can’t join football until 2031, that tells me they would not get a full revenue cut until at least then. Playing all sports except hoops, they would surely get. Partial payouts?

How much?

I believe ND gets 20%. I believe the B12 pays out about $32 million per year for full members. If UConn gets the ND cut, they would get 20% of $32 million, which is right about the &7 million they get now.

But they would have to pay the $30 million BE buyout too.

I don’t get how this sense sense for UConn. Maybe the tv networks have agreed to pay UConn directly and bump the pay over what ND gets to make this happen?

Would guess they need to get at least $15 million a year for this to make sense. Remember, they would have to spend a lot more in travel costs playing a B12 schedule.

I thought the $22M was in salary not NIL or necessarily related to that. NIL will still be above and beyond the $22M.

 

[Orangezoo]

Part of the driver here has to be the $22 million schools can pay for NIL.

Too hoops programs are expected to spend about $7 million for NIL for hoops alone.

That would eat up all the tv revenue UConn gets.

As noted, they Ate already losing $53 million a year. It is likely going to go to $60 million.

How can they stay competitive in hoops unless they spend this money? Where will it come from?

If UConn can’t join football until 2031, that tells me they would not get a full revenue cut until at least then. Playing all sports except hoops, they would surely get. Partial payouts?

How much?

I believe ND gets 20%. I believe the B12 pays out about $32 million per year for full members. If UConn gets the ND cut, they would get 20% of $32 million, which is right about the &7 million they get now.

But they would have to pay the $30 million BE buyout too.

I don’t get how this sense sense for UConn. Maybe the tv networks have agreed to pay UConn directly and bump the pay over what ND gets to make this happen?

Would guess they need to get at least $15 million a year for this to make sense. Remember, they would have to spend a lot more in travel costs playing a B12 schedule.

There is no really good play for them or the medium term. Short term they can hang on for a bit but double edged sword after that no matter whether they try and sit tight or take the B12 offer. Especially since who knows what things look like come 2031…

 

[PoppyHart]

Outside of the SEC and B1G, there are about 6-8 programs that move the needle in football. Every other program is filler.

 

[sutomcat]

I thought the $22M was in salary not NIL or necessarily related to that. NIL will still be above and beyond the $22M.

I don't know what if it officially going to be called. Salary is probably more correct but the stories I read called it NIL money. I suspect colleges will try their best to avoid calling this compensation a salary, in an attempt to avoid classifying their athletes as employees.

It doesn't really matter what it is called though; the bottom line is that colleges are being asked to add a line item to their budget to pay athletes that was not there before. It is a major line item that presents a significant issue for programs that are losing $50+ million dollars every year.

 

[Consigliere]

I don't know what if it officially going to be called. Salary is probably more correct but the stories I read called it NIL money. I suspect colleges will try their best to avoid calling this compensation a salary, in an attempt to avoid classifying their athletes as employees.

It doesn't really matter what it is called though; the bottom line is that colleges are being asked to add a line item to their budget to pay athletes that was not there before. It is a major line item that presents a significant issue for programs that are losing $50+ million dollars every year.

Thought I read they could pay student athletes directly to promote the University and athletic programs. Still not pay for play but NIL by definition.

 

[Hoo's That]

I don't know what if it officially going to be called. Salary is probably more correct but the stories I read called it NIL money. I suspect colleges will try their best to avoid calling this compensation a salary, in an attempt to avoid classifying their athletes as employees.

It doesn't really matter what it is called though; the bottom line is that colleges are being asked to add a line item to their budget to pay athletes that was not there before. It is a major line item that presents a significant issue for programs that are losing $50+ million dollars every year.

Sooner or later we are going to reach the point at which the entire system will implode. It gets more unsustainable with each court ruling in a suit filed by a disgruntled player and coach's salary hike. I can't say that I will be sorry when it does implode.

 

[Jake]

I’m sure the Big East is thrilled.

 

[dasher]

I’m sure the Big East is thrilled.

I'm sure they will be willing to take them back when UConn comes calling the next time.

 

[jdubs30]

I’m sure the Big East is thrilled.

Ironically If they didn’t hire Danny Hurley they’d be staying in the Big East.

 

[Cusefan0307]

 

[Conrad13]

Now I want it to happen.

 

[M2MPrinciples]

Water is wet.

I'm skeptical it'll happen. Sounds like the commish wants to snatch up a quality hoops program to boost the B12's marketability to the impending superconferences. He can pit Fox against ESPN all he wants but the presidents know that football is where the bread gets buttered and are acting accordingly.